Tits or GTFO

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It was brought to my attention by a kind soul (and I assume now former fan) on Twitter, that there is a right way and a wrong way to go about charitable fundraising, and that boob jokes are firmly in the wrong way camp.

I'm always grateful when people let me know when my humour, which they found perfectly funny before I joked about anything they actually cared about, steps over the line and becomes inappropriate. I'm especially grateful when this happens when I'm trying to do something for charity, because avoiding potentially-offensive jokes is obviously more important than raising money or awareness for good causes.

My mistake was in tweeting the new post about the rants for Team Pink Eye. I didn't realise it at the time, but in my attempt to be light-hearted and amusing about a serious and upsetting subject, an approach not unprecedented here, I was in fact reducing people to their body parts and contributing to a dark and terrible world where people make jokes to raise money for fighting cancer.


What I should have said was "save boobies if possible, but more importantly save the person they are attached to because they are more valuable and their life is more important than retaining bodyparts which women are often sexualised with anyway through angry ranting!" but it was over the character limit.
This was clearly too far. I did not realise, at the time, that the seriousness of my statement would be difficult to fathom. Clearly, it does look like I actually think that breasts are a worthier cause than dying orphans. I had plenty of characters left to write "joke", or simply ditch the tweet entirely. I apologise to anyone who felt they were devalued as a person due to my shortsightedness.

In before the self-proclaimed Humourless Feminist. I have edited out the name of this person for their protection, although they did not see fit to give me the same courtesy. All of the tweets posted are this same person. We'll call her HF for short.

No, obviously not. Just the boobs. The breasts would survive perfectly well all on their own.

I'm beginning to rethink that policy.

These three tweets prompted HF to post this calm, reasonable response to her tumblr:


One tweet would have been understandable. But not two. No, 'FUCKING FOLLOW[ING] UP WITH A SECOND TWEET' was, obviously, completely unacceptable behaviour from me and I'll thoroughly deserve being choked to death with a mouse cord as soon as HF manages to defy those pesky physics which leave her simply venting her murderous rage on the internet.

If you were wondering, the answer to: "angry, ranty, and foulmouthed, what's not to like?" is apparently: joking about breasts.

Oh gosh, did I entirely miss your point? Did I not react appropriately to being chastised for using inappropriate language in my misguided attempts to raise money for a good cause? I can imagine how frustrating that must be for you!


I just can't imagine how anyone who is so easily offended liked me before this. Still, to cover my bases and flush out anyone else who was offended by careless fundraising talk:


I mistakenly thought that the issue was offending someone's sensibilities because cancer is serious (hence the phrase, "as serious as cancer", which I'm pretty sure isn't supposed to imply "not very serious at all") and I was joking about it, assuming, of course, that it was a given that cancer is bad.
I was wrong.


Dum dum dumm, thanks for playing Guess What Pedantic Bullshit I'm Whining About, better luck next time! Cancer is a game, apparently.
So the issue is that I was reducing people to their body parts by talking about saving the boobs. Because breast cancer cares about you and values you as an entire person. I wonder if HF has similar problems with the phrase "break a leg"?

It seems like my previous tweets were taken seriously and that HF thought I was part of some hitherto unheard of majority of people who think breasts are more important than being alive.


All cleared up, right?


Just a reminder, we're not talking about me being racist in a political speech here, this is in reference to saying 'save the boobs' while fundraising for the fight against breast cancer. I pretty much think that, in this instance, yeah. I can do that, and it's fine.

Still, the point here is that the end does not justify the means. The end being, fighting cancer and helping to save lives, and the means being telling a joke about boobs on Twitter. You decide.


OK, GUYS. It's only a joke THE FIRST TIME YOU TELL IT. After that, it's OPPRESSION.


Technically, words don't intrinsically mean anything, they only have the subjective meanings that we attach to them. Nothing is objectively offensive.


Honestly, I'm not sure where feminism came into it, but you don't waste an invitation like that. However, breast cancer doesn't only effect females, it also effects men.


Yes, there's the accusation you literally just asked for. That wasn't a genuine invitation?


Is the prize for this game a sense of humour? If so, I forfeit and you can have it.
No prizes for guessing why HF has been called it before, though (not least because she invites it).


So, it would have been OK and inoffensive if it was funny?

Keep going with the patronising and condescending pet names, hon.






Yes, saying "save the boobs" whilst raising money for breast cancer is akin to encouraging arsonists and must be stopped. It would be better if we simply didn't say anything and, to quote directly from HF's blog post on the subject,
it's probably better for everyone if you [people who make boob jokes] just stay out of breast cancer awareness movements altogether
We don't need more money for cancer research, if you're just going to make boob jokes while you do it. Forget it. We don't want to beat cancer that badly. Just go home.

HF, deciding apparently that the game was over, went back to update her Tumblr on the subject.


OH! The game was BINGO!

Yes, you got the response you specifically and quite literally asked for. It is a shame, given that you liked my blog for me being angry and ranty and outspoken. That was all fine, apparently, until it was about a subject you disagreed on (charity). Then I'm PETA.

So, that was over, and my friends and I joked about on Twitter with one another on the subject, although none of them said anything directly to or mentioning HF by name, that I could see. I didn't tweet a general tweet including HF's name, only responses to her. Still, another charming Tumblr update:


Wankstain? Words have meanings, you know.

I actually didn't send anyone to attack her. I didn't tweet her name outside of my responses, I didn't ask anyone to speak to her, and I've taken the time to edit her name out of over 30 screenshots here, which was actually pretty irritating. If you work out who she is, please do not attack her on my behalf.
I never 'send people' to attack anyone, but occasionally the women who read my blog - who are, for the (slightly larger now) majority, intelligent, reasonable women who are capable of forming their own opinions, being offended and acting independently of me. This blog is not a front for a borg cube. It's a strange sort of feminist who doesn't credit women with the necessary brain power to be personally offended when insulted and to think up opinions in their pretty little heads all on their own.

The two women behind Team Pink Eye have put in a tremendous amount of work despite difficult personal circumstances, the bloggers and business owners involved have dedicated a lot of their time and energy to it (way more than me), and the others in this little community have donated their hard-earned cash for the cause. To insult them all with sweeping statements is pretty disgusting, and to then consider that - perfectly justified - backlash as me sending my drones to attack rather than these women having personal and legitimate grievances is the most appalling of all.

I wouldn't normally make a post about one individual, but I claim the "she started it" defence, what with her several tumblr posts accusing, insulting, and naming me, the "she insulted my friends" defence, and the "what the fuck you crazy bint, it's a joke about tits for charity", also known as the "common sense" defence. I've also refrained from naming/threatening to murder the individual, unlike her, which I think is the "moral highground" defence.

There are lots of arguments I could make, about how breasts are a part of a person and the part generally affected by breast cancer, about how humour helps to take away something's power, about how campaigns about tits are more likely to get men to donate, about how cancer doesn't care about you being a feminist, or a female, or care about you as a person, and that we could try seeing how far we got fighting cancer with political correctness and respect, but I'll wager it wouldn't be very far. In the end, though, I think the clincher is pretty much: "It's a joke about tits on Twitter for charity. Shut the fuck up."

Unfortunately, we can't ever cure righteous stupidity, but we might be able to make a dent in cancer. So, if you're not offended by my absolutely unacceptable sense of humour, please consider buying a rant, or simply just donating or entering this week's Team Pink Eye giveaways, to help us save the breasts*.




*if at all possible, but primarily the people they are attached to.

80 comments:

Manda said...

I love you Ana.

29 October 2011 at 00:23


Grey said...

I have this feeling her (in general, whoever she is) head would explode if the US participated in Red Nose Day.

29 October 2011 at 00:26


Anastasia said...

@Manda - <3

@Grey - Roflmao! It took all my restraint not to end the post with "get back in the kitchen".

29 October 2011 at 00:28


Claire said...

Thank you Ana, for being awesome and really summing up all my rage on this topic. You rock!!

29 October 2011 at 00:30


Stephanie said...

As someone who knows many people who have had breast cancer (including both my mother and mother-in-law) AND as someone who has had non-breast cancer in their life, I think that chick needs some sense smacked into her.

And if she reads this somehow, she'll probably claim that now you're getting people to threaten her. Crap.

29 October 2011 at 00:38


olgiepolgie said...

WTF? I'm stunned. How dare you do something decent for cancer research! Someone needs a humour transplant stat.

29 October 2011 at 00:39


Anastasia said...

@Claire - It didn't need much, to be honest, she kinda did the work for me.

@Stephanie - Yes, didn't you know? Accurately reporting someone's actions is hatemongering if people people complain about those actions. It doesn't mean the actions were wrong, it means the people were zombies!

@Olgiepolgie - Seriously. Where are these people who actually believe breasts > life? Do they exist?

29 October 2011 at 00:47


UneLuneBleue said...

You rock Ana. Team Pink Eye is a worthy cause. TPE is raising funds for breast cancer research. Breast cancer tends to affect the breasts. Breasts are generally attached to people. This seems pretty obvious to me. I'm glad you were able to state pretty much the same thing far more eloquently than I.
As someone who has supported and donated to TPE, I was offended that this person reacted so negatively toward you and your support of their cause. Much <3

29 October 2011 at 00:49


LadycrowX said...

I agree... <3 everything about this post and you Ana!!

My aunt didn't die of breast cancer, but she died of cancer too young... if someone could make jokes to help save her doing something for the cause I would of been happy to hear it!!

29 October 2011 at 00:50


lycanthropica said...

Hahahah these people make me want to vom vom! One good thing about being in a wheelchair (which I am) is I can make cripple jokes and call myself a retard in front of them and they can't to anything BWAHAHAHAHHAA

You rule, that person is a knob

29 October 2011 at 00:58


Hebridean Sprite said...

That's just sad that she can't see past the humor to the main cause. Everyone uses humor for breast cancer awareness because breasts are a taboo subject generally and by using humor awareness and acceptance increases. If people can actually talk about a subject comfortably then things will actually get done. I don't think you did anything wrong. Yes there are other important issues out there but as humans we can only really deal with one issue at a time and breast cancer awareness is certainly worthy of our time and consideration. Sometimes it's laugh or cry and personally I'd rather laugh and spread awareness with a smile.

29 October 2011 at 00:59


Zoë Danger Awesome said...

Well I missed this when it was going down. But I think she had a point. (she didn't do the best at expressing it at all, but she had a point.) I hate breast cancer awareness for all the 'save the boobies' jokes. It makes me feel like I am being reduced to my secondary sex characteristics. And if that makes me a humorless feminist I will wear the label with pride.

“save the boobies” feels sexist and objectifying. And making “get back in the kitchen jokes,” is sexist.

And this does disappoint me. I love this blog and the fact you are helping raise money. the first blog post I ever made was on this blog.

29 October 2011 at 01:02


Ice Queen said...

I saw your original tweet. And I agreed with it. As someone who has three women in her family who are fighting this dreadful disease, I just want a cure for them. And I don't give a flying fuck if the sensibilities of some oh-so-sensitive PC Nazi are offended, or not.

We need attention, funding, research and a miracle. Not PC bullshit. Keep on doing what yo are doing. If even one life is saved, it is all worth it!

29 October 2011 at 01:03


Lossa said...

Ugh, this is why I don't use twitter and find internet conversations so difficult at times - context and EMOTION aren't able to be conveyed. I have wanted to rant/troll on someones listing for Team Pink-Eye/Breast Cancer research BUT I haven't because I KNEW it would be taken the wrong way and people would not understand where I was coming from. It also wouldn't be appropriate considering the great work all these bloggers and companies are doing to raise awareness.

If someone has a problem with what has been said, DO NOT take it personally. Chances are what was said in jest and possibly not fully thought out with relation to weather people would take offense or not. If you are offended don't get into a flame war because they will sink into obsenity and name calling.

Good on you Ana for correcting what you said on twitter with regard to the "joke" and hopefully you are able to move on.
And to the other
blogger/twitterer: please let it go, just because someone does something silly/you agree with once does mean their point of view is useless or unvalid. State your objection and then move on.

29 October 2011 at 01:03


eef said...

Ana, did you try and win an argument on the internet with LOGIC? Don't you know that won't work? =P

Seriously, that person needs a life and to learn not to take everything so seriously. Does he/she really think that you're just trying to save boobies and not the people attached? Does that even make a little bit of sense??? No.

Also, amazed she liked your blog before this and then found this too offensive. What?

But it's okay, she posted your name and blog on her Tumblr so we can all realize just what a terrible person you are. Because that was the mature thing to do.

God, I love the internet. To think my initial reaction to this post was "TLDR". Glad I read it after all.

29 October 2011 at 01:08


Sammi said...

Thanks for writing this Ana. I read the conversation earlier and was just appalled at some of the things she said against not only you, but the bloggers (including myself) and companies participating in Team Pink Eye. Some of the claims she made about Susan G Komen being anti-feminist just shocked me too. Save the boobies? Absolutely! I guess she forgot that breast cancer research doesn't just help women, men can get breast cancer too, and they need just as much help with a cure and awareness as women do. In my eyes, this isn't a gender/feminism issue.

I'm sure all of us aren't here to demean women, or reduce them to body parts--we're just here to help a good cause. I don't think anyone is saying "Forget the person, let's just make sure they have boobs to make sure they live up to society's standards!" If she took the time to read any of the posts and see everyone's personal experiences in their lives with breast cancer, the people they've lost, and the people who were lucky to survive, maybe she'd realize that. But I guess she was too busy judging us to do that. :(

29 October 2011 at 01:09


Siobhan said...

That, my friend, looks like it was one unbelievable hassle over how something was phrased. You did a fine job of handling the insanity with grace.
...And my tits and I thank you for your efforts toward our continued good health.

29 October 2011 at 01:12


Anastasia said...

@Zoe - As someone with a background in advertising, I know that funny campaigns are generally the most successful, and as Hebridean said, breasts are a taboo subject which make for popular comedy. I don't see their use as sexist AT ALL, considering that breast cancer ALSO AFFECTS MEN.

Humour is enjoyable. Cancer is depressing and awful. People are more likely to do things that are enjoyable. Funny campaigns tend to be more successful, which is the reason for the boob-humour which is so pervasive. Other causes have comedy benefits etc held to raise money for them, the jokes thing isn't just for breast cancer. Testicular cancer gets similar treatment in places as well, and penis jokes (un-charity related) are probably the most pervasive of all. Humour about body parts isn't new and it's not restricted to females, breast cancer doesn't only affect females, and cancer doesn't give a shit.

The "get back in the kitchen" joke is sexist, yes. Which is why I didn't use it, but it's still a joke. Comedians use sexist/offensive jokes a lot, too.

I don't think "save the boobies" SHOULD feel objectifying, they're a body part which is attacked by this kind of cancer, it happens to men and women and it's important for people to know, to not be shy about it and to self-check, to feel OK about seeing a doctor and getting anything checked out, etc, as well as to raise money. I don't see political correctness helping that to happen.

Would it be different if a diabetic campaign had a "Save your foot" tactic?

HF's blog actually suggested everyone would be better off without these campaigns at all, and the money they raise. I think that's a horrific suggestion and offensive to anyone with cancer who wants all the funding and research they can get. =/

29 October 2011 at 01:14


Anastasia said...

@Blue - I think they reacted negatively to TPE generally as well, and it made me think of Evil Shades HFB for example.

@LadycrowX - I'm sorry about your aunt. Cancer is a bastard and we should fight it with absolutely everything at our disposal, including comedy.

@Lycanthropica - That and, as Ricky Gervais said, all those fun ramps?
It's great that you can have a sense of humour about it. Honestly I think a lot more good gets done that way than by people bitching and whining.

@Hebridean - Yes, exactly. Aside from the fact that humour raises more money and tits are funny, demystifying it, encouraging people to check themselves, to not be embarrassed to show a doctor, etc, is important.

@Ice Queen - Exactly.

@Lossa - It might not be the most dignified approach, but I think that the humour helps to encourage women to check themselves and to not be embarrassed to see a doctor if they're worried, in addition to funnier campaigns raising more money. Breast cancer affects men, too. I simply don't see how it can be sexist - if it is, surely it's the men who are getting the short end of the stick by being labelled with what's considered a girly disease?
Testicular cancer gets the same treatment, too.

I understand someone being offended by being lighthearted about cancer - yes, it is a serious thing, and I AM sorry if anyone was genuinely offended by levity on such a painful topic. I'm NOT sorry if someone thinks I'm being sexist or contributing to a society of people who think breasts are more important than people, because that isn't fucking happening.

29 October 2011 at 01:21


Miss Bekka said...

Tits.


That is all.

29 October 2011 at 01:28


Sam <3 said...

Words don't have meaning, words are conveyed with intent and it's that intent which has meaning.

That's why I can say "go smurf yourself" and you can assume that to be something offensive.

And yet despite this, you know from the context that it isn't intended as offensive, no one who actually meant you harm would choose to use such a phrase or to do so in this manner. You are able to use your intelligence to figure out what I actually mean / feel, not simply what is displayed as text on a screen.

Intent is what we should take offense at. I can tell my gay friend "you are so gay" and them not take offense because they know i mean them no ill will, because I am laughing with them, joking with them, we are having fun. But the same words uttered by someone else could be hugely offensive simply because their meaning is to be offensive. That is their intent.

And often times the best way to stop people from being able to cause harm with these words is simply to make light of them. Such as the phrases "get back in the kitchen" or "iron my shirt, bitch" Misogyny has been so lampooned in this day and age, is so much the subject of humor that if someone genuinely uttered the phrase and meant it, it would be hard not to crack up in hysterics as a response, probably trying to gasp the words "are you serious?" between snorts of laughter. Because of how ridiculous such a cliche has become.

And if that person's intent really is to cause offense, then the worst thing you can do is to actually take offense, you're giving them what they want, like when your parents tell you to ignore the bullies at school. Don't feed the beast and it'll go away.

And if their intent isn't to cause offense, then don't fucking take offense, geez, appreciate the statement as it was intended, whether humorous or ironic or satirical or whatever. Grow a sense of humour, for the good of all of us.

This is particularly important when it comes to feminism, there are still real battles left to be fought, there is still a gender inequality in western society, and it's a serious problem in many other parts of the world, one of the big factors of misogyny / sexism is this idea that women are somehow weaker, that they need to be protected. So if you want to hurt the feminist cause, if you want to perpetuate this idea, this stereotype, then please by all means, cry when someone tells a blonde joke, throw a fit, hell appeal to the government and get it made into a hate crime, scream out to the world at the top of your voice "Women can do anything just as well as men can... except take a joke."

29 October 2011 at 01:32


Anastasia said...

@Eef - Humour wasn't working either! Ahhh!
Yeah, occasionally I like to be outrageous so I can weed flouncers out. Wasn't what I had in mind with the charity thing though.

It was pretty ridiculous. I simply don't believe that there are people who think breasts should be saved above lives.

@Sammi - Yeah. While I can see that some of the more gaudy stuff could be seen as offensive (the UK just has the 'think pink' thing and notsomuch giant boobie signs) humour is an effective marketing tactic, and we should FIGHT CANCER ANY FUCKING WAY WE CAN. When the means is humour, yes, the end fucking does justify it. It's CANCER.
No one is saying "fuck women being alive, just save tits". They're just trying to do what they can to get people involved, and most people enjoy vulgar, juvenile boobie jokes, and help beat cancer.

You said it perfectly, really.

@Siobhan - I think someone was spoiling for a fight, to be honest.

29 October 2011 at 01:33


Lossa said...

Ana, I will get off my moral high horse right now to say you are right and humour is a GREAT way to emphasise and help educate people about the risk cancer has. Its just in this instance the limitations of twitter came to the fore. It lacked the emotion that both of you needed to state why you felt the way you did. Still, atleast we managed to get a rant out of you :)

Often our lack of humour about something is linked to something painful in our life and we find it tasteless whe someone makes light of it. I cannot watch the Family Guy episode "McStroke" because it cuts way to close to the skin for me and I find the jokes tasteless, but that doesnt mean something constructive was added to the conversation.

In advertising, humour has a great way of getting the message through. In NZ the land transport authority has just put out an ad where a ghost is offering his (still living) friend some chips/crisps but the friend is unable to take it. There is a humour in that that is getting teenagers to be more aware of their choices when driving.

(And I have just barely managed to keep my own ill-informed rant about breast cancer in, yay).

29 October 2011 at 01:34


Autumn said...

I'm still cracking up over the fact that, not only did she call you a "wankstain", which is...nevermind, just funny to me so I shouldn't tweet about it, but that she is serious. I mean really serious about you being a bad person for using humor in your charity cause. Instead of tweeting about boobies, you should have posted an EOTD that involved drawing pink breast cancer ribbon tears running down your face and talking about sad statistics.

I mean, what's wrong with you?

29 October 2011 at 01:36


Naomi said...

I'm on the fence about this one personally, but before I go on I would like to just mention that this is my view on this particular post and as Ana says in her comment form 'I love hearing from my lovely readers, whether you agree with me or disagree...'
I wouldn't usually feel the need to point this out but I don't want to be gunned down for expressing my opinion just like the next person.

Although I understand that this was all intended as a joke and yes 'HF' was immature and on the surface seems to be after a bit of a scrap and the whole thing got out of hand, I feel that I need to say, Ana, maybe you need to apologise more simply. I feel the way you apologised initially may also incite some sort of response in people who are deliberately seeking an ember to fan into a forest fire, and in essence you were giving them this chance to do that. Maybe it may have been wiser to have simply said 'Apologies to those who feel they are owed one' and even need be add another tweet after just mentioning that the entire thing has been put together to raise money for charity so -TOGETHER- we can help try and beat cancer, in no matter what form - obviously with paraphrasing but still getting the message across, it could just be said as 'We're in this together, why fight.' I don't feel that the 140 character limit should stop you from saying things rather than to paraphrase it that to you may be a joke but to someone else may come across as snarky. I'm not entirely sure if I'm coming across how I want to but I just wanted to mention that this could have been nipped in the bud.

I suppose there's really nothing else we can do about this now, it's happened. I guess it may be useful in the future to take a breath and think 'this wench is clearly begging for it' and then just step away - even if it is usually the lack of this that results in these rants that quite often are fun to read. Mind you, I could be wrong. You might enjoy these twitterbattles for all I know, then if so, maybe my comment is out of place.

Also is it too nerdy to be debating buying a rant about up and coming WOW expansions(Pandas? Seriously? ._.)? Hrm.. probably is. And doesn't really warrant a place on your blog.

God this comment is awfully long, just wanted to get my opinion across and hopefully it comes across as intended.

29 October 2011 at 01:43


Zoë Danger Awesome said...

I respect your view point, though I don't agree. But I think we can all manage to live with that.

I didn't write it in my comment (I was being lazy) but one of the reasons I have also disliked the whole saving of the boobies was because it focuses only on women with said boobies. (and never bringing up the fact not only women have breast, but it also effects people with no breasts) But also because whenever I see a 'save the boobies' psa, that is all it says. If there was a psa that said 'save the boobies' and then showed you a quick guide to doing self breast exams, that would be cool. But I have never seen that. In fact know one ever taught me about self breast exams or breast cancer prevention. (you would think they would teach that in health class)

oh, and I do believe, of course, that cancer research should get money. Lots of money. All the money they need. I wasn't cool with how the person was making her point, I just thought she had one worth talking about.

My main issue I guess with mainstream breast cancer awareness is I see a lot of, “BOOBIES: Breast cancer. Its a thing.” and I would rather see “BOOBIES: here are some tips on detecting it early.”

29 October 2011 at 01:47


Seii said...

Totally agree with your comment Ana. I was also a bit "huh" at the suggestion HF's blog made about awareness and boobies and how you'd have to be under a rock to not have heard about it thus we'd be better off without the campaigns. I'd like to point out that people get apathetic about issues and causes. Take natural disasters for example, wave of donations which trickles out yet the effects are always longer lasting than the media attention. Food shortages in Africa? Yup. Happens all the time. Do we all know about it? Pretty sure you'd have to be living under a rock not to know. Does the general population donate every day? I would bet my pixie epoxy that people push it to the back of their minds hence aid agencies constantly promote and run drives. I assume that it's exactly the same thing for health issues like cancer where people know it exists but become immune to it because it's so common. Just because everyone in the whole wide world knows about, lets call it "a specific type of cancer that affects the breasts" doesn't mean that people should stop raising awareness and funds. Who knows that one month of bullshit related joke income,(I mean some of the merchandise photographed was puke worthy), will last the year out and actually save someones life. Male or female. You're completely correct when you say that humour sells, and the aim is to get as much money out of an apathetic public as possible.

The social cost of sexist advertising for a worth cause? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the social and emotional toll of cancer far outweighs the degrading view of "boobies" advertising which if an individual finds funny because it's reminds them of some sort of throwback to women being objects, well that individual needs to grow the fuck up. But hopefully they'll buy a shirt on their way out.

I know what's deliberately offensive and ignorant, I also know when something isn't supposed to be taken seriously. The cancer yes. Ana's remarks, no.

29 October 2011 at 01:48


Anastasia said...

@Bekka - x]

Sam - Yes. Precisely. Honestly, I think women as a whole are more hurt by breast cancer than they are by inappropriate boob humour.

@Lossa - I just can't believe that anyone would take a 'save the boobs' campaign as some kind of dehumanising statement about how women are worth no more than their sex organs and their lives are less important than their boobs. Seriously? Who would think that? Are there people who believe that? Where are they?
I find a lot of humour distasteful (I don't watch South Park) but I don't take personal offence to it unless someone is directing it at me and intending to insult me. I think placing such high-handed limitations on how people ought to do charity work and help fight cancer is just a complete dickmove. Who is anyone to speak for people affected by cancer and say "your campaigning isn't wanted"?

My sister posted a great comment up there which talks about how there's an idea within some feminism that women are weaker and need protection. All things like this does is say, "Women can do anything just as well as men can... except take a joke."
How many jokes about penises are there? It must be the most joked-about body part there is. Do the men cry sexism? Do they cry sexism when testicular cancer campaigns do exactly the same thing? Etc etc.

I know you're not arguing with me, I'm just getting my thoughts out there (not trying to rant AT you!). I understand completely anyone finding humour of a painful subject awful - I hate it when people say "rape" when they mean "got beaten badly in a game", which happens all the time. I find that comparison offensive, as a rape-survivor. But I don't bitch at people for it, either, and especially not if they were actually trying to do something good (although the example sorta breaks down there).

29 October 2011 at 01:50


Anastasia said...

@Autumn - Lmao. I've never sent anyone to attack anyone! XD
Bah. Funny works. Funny is what I do. It's not like I've never made an inappropriate joke before. At least this time I was doing something NICE!

29 October 2011 at 01:51


Anastasia said...

@Zoe - If I was designing a breast cancer awareness campaign, it would be centred around de-mystifying it, teaching people how to check, making them feel less embarrassed about it, and trying to de-girl it, because it affects men as well.
Still, I wouldn't criticise someone else's campaign, because dictating to someone how they ought to be helping out charities and saying that everyone would be better off without those campaigns is a high-handed, arrogant, and shitty thing to do. I don't know what the US breast cancer campaigns are like. I made two tweets, mostly a reference to a product made by one of the indie business owners to help support Team Pink Eye.

In University I did a mock ad campaign for testicular cancer, the strapline was "Get a hold of yourself", the aim was to educate and encourage men to self-examine, help them get over the embarrassment of checking and being checked out through humour, and used a lot of pictures of sports balls.

I know that funny sells, and sex sells, people are desensitised to statistics and pictures of sad kids on TV. When designing an ad campaign, creative teams often use something called positioning to change the image of an issue and make it stand out more, because we're saturated with adverts and they lose their effectiveness.

I would love to see men being given more consideration in breast cancer ads. It bugs me that everything is pink, which is considered a very girly colour.

29 October 2011 at 02:06


Anastasia said...

@Naomi - You don't need to worry about anyone pouncing on you. You're right, I could have nipped it in the bud. My apology was, actually, sarcastic, after I saw the tumblr posted by the person talking about wanting to choke me to death etc after my 3 completely polite tweets, I became a lot less interested in diplomacy.

29 October 2011 at 02:07


Just some girl said...

You know what would have been funny? If you had synecdochally called her a "cunt.". Irony, that.

29 October 2011 at 02:08


Anastasia said...

@Seii - Yeah. Ad campaigns use positioning to change from ineffective campaign tones to new ones which will attract more attention. They do it with every type of campaign, not just charitable ones. We had a very successful anti-smoking campaign in the UK a while ago which featured ads telling you to give a cigarette to someone you hated in order to kill them.

29 October 2011 at 02:08


luckyinluke said...

Hey, Ana.  I'm the male-component of a reader of yours.  She (your reader) asked me to come here and post a little missive, and so I shall.  I'm a male survivor of breast cancer.  Yes, male and yes, survivor.  How did I even figure out I had breast cancer?  I was on campus at college and there was some girls out in pink telling everyone to 'save the boobs'.  I laughed, took a pamphlet cause hell, the chic was hot.  But that night, as sort of a joke, I checked my boobs.  And there was a lump.

THAT CAMPAIGN SAVES LIVES, so tell that ignorant bish to shut the fuck up and get off her high horse.  I don't care how PC she thinks the world needs to be, things work on simplest terms.  I was a 20 year old kid, I would NEVER have responded to 'well, you see, everyone needs to be proactive'.  Save the boobs worked.

As a survivor I still check.  In fact, every October that's me in the pink shirt telling people to 'save the boobs'.  Did that bish stop for one moment to think about all the survivors in her stream, if she had any, she could have had 4 with an attitude like that I can't image she's a hit at parties, but can you imagine all the survivors and the family of survivors (my girl) who had to watch her spill her drivel that there is any such thing as a 'bad' way to raise and spread awareness?  She needs to get off her high horse and stop being holier then everyone else and CHECK HER BOOBS.

29 October 2011 at 02:32


Anastasia said...

@Just some girl - XD

29 October 2011 at 02:41


Anastasia said...

@Luckyinluke - Thank you so much for commenting! It's wonderful to hear from a guy on the issue, and to hear that the 'save the boobs' type campaign has worked on at least one guy. Most campaigns are very female-oriented, so it's nice to think that the funny/sex approach encourages men to consider it, even if, like you, they tried it as a joke. I think cancer is pretty much a "whatever works" area.

Whatever gets through to people. Even if it is offensive. Sometimes offensive works, because it generates more hype if it's controversial than statistics or responsibility or a sad story does!

29 October 2011 at 02:44


Zoë Danger Awesome said...

I think we are in a lot more agreement than I originally thought. I reacted...rashly. Anyway I’m really glad we had a conversation about this. Lots of food for thought and I love food for thought. And I like your ideas for a campaign. That is exactly the kind of thing I want to see more often. I wouldn't mind the boobies if there was information to go with it. You know?

29 October 2011 at 02:46


Laura B said...

Longtime follower, hardly ever commenter. I'm always amazed at how people blow things out of proportion. While I respect that everyone has their own opinion, I agree with you on this one. I believe that the end justifies the means. I mean if calling attention to "boobs" gets people to think more about breast cancer and donating toward the cause, then go with it. I guess drawing attention to the cause is more important to me than whether the campaigns are offensive to a comparatively few. I've lost loved ones to cancer and don't wish that on anyone, so awareness is important to me.

29 October 2011 at 02:48


Anastasia said...

@Zoe - I agree. To this day I've never seen a breast cancer campaign/ad/poster/anything which showed me how to self-examine. I had to google to find it, and most people are pretty lazy or will forget by the time they get online.

Did you see Luckyinluke's comment above? TBH I had assumed that men wouldn't respond to a 'save the boobs' type campaign but I'm glad to see that some do, I guess the blunt 'boobs' approach can grab male attention, hopefully it would then educate them that it can also effect men and teach self-examination etc.

29 October 2011 at 02:51


sthenno said...

Communication is a 2 way road, so I see both sides. Especially as a feminist. And I have a filthy sense of humor.

I think some women (myself included) are just kind of tired about hearing about our boobs. Some of us get teased growing up or have them pointed out or stared at all the time...and this whole "Boobies" thing seems as immature as a Family Guy skit. It isn't you, I am betting. It is just the situation.

There is a huge literature of the ways in which women are objectified by single body parts in advertising (Killing Her Softly series documents this) so I can see the pure sexism of the honed in focus. And you know, a lot of women have to have their breasts removed so it may be a sore subject.

I just prefer the breast-check campaigns, handing out literature over sensationalism. It is a personal preference. And I can choose where to donate. While it is unfortunate that an argument has come from this, I have actually been between people hashing this exact thing out before. At least we are talking about it. With the HPV vaccine, we are now talking about cervical and other reproductive-system cancers. Some people say any publicity is good publicity.

Anyhow, some things will really get to people, even even-keeled people like me. From experience, even though you did not ask me for advice, I would just ignore it and let them work it out/blog about it.

29 October 2011 at 03:05


Jessi M (Lacquered, Painted, Polished) said...

Sam is your sister? That comment was the best thing I have ever read and sums up my views perfectly. I want to print it out and send it to every overreacting person in the whole world. And hang it on my wall to remind myself. :) It angers me beyond anything that certain words are taboo when used in ANY context at all, when what should really be considered is the intent. Sam, I love you. You better tell her that, Ana!

29 October 2011 at 03:15


Anastasia said...

@Jessi - She is, indeed :D and yeah, I thought she made excellent points, too. Overreacting is just telling the world that women can't take a joke as well as men :/

29 October 2011 at 03:28


eight said...

I had a small debate over this on a certain makeup FB group, and first I was opposed to "Save the Boobies" etc., but some people there helped me see the other side. I was first opposed to it because I felt it belittled people who have had mastectomies because of cancer, but some people said these campaigns are more targeted to PREVENTING cancer, thus eliminating the need for mastectomies. And since breast cancer can affect younger women too, we need to start doing self-exams and other preventative measures early on.

There is still a lot of sexism in our society, and it's easy to view many things as demeaning to women. But obviously, anyone who only supports breast cancer research because they just want tits to survive, and not the person, is an idiot. Though hopefully they'll still donate. :P

I do wish "Save the Nuts" campaigns were around or more visible/popular (at least I haven't seen anything like it). We need something catchy for Movember because mustaches aren't sexual enough (unless they're pornstaches).

While I can understand where HF is coming from, I think she went about speaking her opinions the wrong way and should have agreed to disagree, or whatever. And saying Team Pink Eye shouldn't contribute to the cause is fucking disgusting.

So yeah, that's my opinion as a[n] (hopefully) Humourous Feminist. I'll be donating more to TPE tomorrow and hope to buy one of your rants :D

29 October 2011 at 03:33


Just Me said...

I agree with your critic, and find this defensive post pretty cringeworthy.

It's hard when someone calls us on a bullshit comment, and it's happened to all of us, but the mature thing to do is listen and absorb the fact that we might be wrong, not go off half-cocked and continue to hurt people's feelings deliberately.

I have unsubscribed from your feed.

29 October 2011 at 04:17


Anastasia said...

@Just Me - Your comment seems to rely upon me thinking that I've said something wrong, when I don't. I don't disagree with anything I've said, and I don't apologise for it. I do disagree with you both.
Since it offends you, however, thank you for unsubscribing without incident and saving us both future trouble.

29 October 2011 at 04:21


thenailaholic said...

I'm still confused about what the problem with Komen is? I guess she won't want any of their help when she is riddled with cancer in her breasts. That being said, because of this post, you have a new follower. I wish I knew who she was so I could tell her that I SAVE TATAS! That is all. :)

29 October 2011 at 04:35


FrancesDanger said...

I'm planting my flag here and buying this rant.

As one of the facilitators of Team Pink Eye I would just like to say I truly appreciate what you and everyone else who blogged or donated have done.

The boobies and tatas stuff isn't my cup of tea, but TPE didn't ask to vet what anyone wrote or how they promoted the project (except for the Komen sponsoring the giveaways thing, which we did ask to be included at the request of Komen.) Why? Because we wanted everyones unique voice in this to reach as many people as possible. While HF may not agree with the delivery of the message the message itself does bear repeating over and over s loudly as possible.

As someone who has both lost loved pones and seen loved ones successfully fight breast cancer I don't care if you wrote 'Click here fer BEWBS' if it means one more person took steps to do a self exam or get educated on the risk factors. It comes from a good place and I for one am incredibly grateful for it all.

29 October 2011 at 04:39


CloverHoney said...

"It's only a joke the first time you tell it. After that, it's opression."
Fantastic.
Although... while you are being witty and all, wouldn't it have saved you the touble of typing all this out to not sink to this other person's level?
Can you really accomplish anything from getting offended at the easily offended?
Just a thought. Though, on the right day, seething for the sake of seething seems perfectly justifiable.
And maybe it's that this girl has giant tits and that's all anyone ever sees her as. That Easily Offended Girl With The Magnificent Rack.
In which case... poor thing. She's made herself into her chest, just like everyone else has, instead of moving beyond it.
All in all... I've been entertained. Thanks.

29 October 2011 at 04:55


Shattered said...

I saw my Twitter feed blowing up earlier but didn't have the time to go back and find out why....

I think the only response I can give is for me to put on my Save the Ta-Tas shirt (yes, I have one people, and I have family who have both survived and fought valiantly against breast cancer), flip the bird, and take a picture.

29 October 2011 at 05:19


Eduard said...

What a perfectly idiotic example of a human being...

I can't describe in words how much I hate self important, arrogant, condescending, "oh, that offends me because I have a shitty sense of humour, it should be banned and you should be sued"-ing people like that...

People like that should be chemically castrated, I am srs.

You did nothing wrong , Anastasia, don't let this stupid, immature bitch step on you...

If she likes to live in her little la-la land, located inside her 3 neuron brain, where people are offended by anything you say, and nothing bad ever happens, and there is no death and war and famine and cancer and starvation and genocide and murder and rape and child abuse, and where people fart unicorns that fart rainbows, let her.

The rest of us, the ones that actually bothered to grow the fuck up and get out of la-la land, will live in this shitty, horrible real world and occasionally make fun of it because it just sucks so much.

I'll be damned if I ever let one of these immature fucktards talk back at me without going M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) on their asses, verbally.

I have a habit of instantly snapping at people IRL and out if my mind detects even a hint of retarded bullshit in their sentences.

29 October 2011 at 06:32


beautifulwithbrains said...

WTF?! This has been blown out of all proportions! She should just grow a sense of humour..

Humour is a great way to draw attention to a good cause and get the message across, which helps save lives. If some people have a problem with that, I don't really care.. Keep doing what you're doing, Ana. You rock!

29 October 2011 at 08:44


Kat said...

"it's probably better for everyone if you [people who make boob jokes] just stay out of breast cancer awareness movements altogether"

This made me a tiny bit mad. So if a breastcancer survivor or patient makes boob jokes, she needs to shut the fuck up?

29 October 2011 at 10:08


S.N. said...

Quite honestly, I think the entire incident is so frivolous and minute that you probably would have been better off ignoring it and not replying to her at all. As someone has said before me, all this really looks like is you sinking to the same level as someone who irritated you, and a back-and-forth game of nastiness and snark isn't going to get anyone anywhere - regardless of who name dropped and who didn't, I think both parties are in the wrong for so eagerly digging claws into one another.
I mean no offense or disrespect. I've been reading your blog for a long time and appreciate your coverage of issues such as the Lime Crime fiasco. But I feel that in this case, regardless of what you were fighting for, I think you let your emotions get the better of you. An entire blog entry dedicated to a spat you had with someone over the internet is immature and childish, and not what I had come to expect from this blog.

29 October 2011 at 10:22


Ellie said...

I'd introduce her to my mum, who just pulled through breast cancer last year.


But I prefer my mother without a mouse cord wrapped around her neck.


... Or around her as an entire person, because naming only one part of a person's body is bad and unforgiving.

29 October 2011 at 11:45


⚏ Arlecchino Fluorescente ⚝ said...

What a b*tch. I want to slap that stupid girl. I had breast cancer a few years ago, and I'm not offended (or "oppressed") by anything you said. A light-hearted approach is much more welcomed by us survivors. Does she actually think that you're advocating cutting off our boobs, and keeping them alive independently of us while we die? What is this I don't even.

29 October 2011 at 11:50


Anastasia said...

@Thenailholic - There's some stuff about them if you google it, apparently. IMO all fundraising efforts are good, even if the campaigning or organisation it goes to aren't ideal.

@Frances - It's all yours! I know the huge amount of effort that you've put in to TPE, and Becs as well, and I'll be damned if I let someone insulting that slide.

@CloverHoney - Yes, it absolutely would. The thing that people often new to my pettier rants miss is that writing rants don't upset me. I posted the entire conversation because I thought it was funny, especially her repeated references to us playing some game and then being incredibly offended I called her what she asked me to, etc. I could absolutely have let it go, but the rant provided amusement, more coverage for TPE, more donations for TPE (Frances bought this rant, so there's another $10 woot) and I'll admit, I was pissed off at her saying that everyone would be better off without TPE and calling my followers mindless zombies with no opinions of their own.

@Shattered - Haha, epic picture response XD

@Ed - Well, that was a bit militant but yes. When it's for charity, hyper-sensitivity protect-the-wimminsfolk-from-the-humour stuff should really take a backseat.

@Gio - Exactly. IMO you do whatever works, even if it's a little crass. There's stories in this comment section of "save the boobs" working, so GOOD.

@Kat - Simply the suggestion that we should reject fundraising, as if cancer research doesn't need ALL THE FUNDING IT CAN FUCKING GET, pissed me off.

@S.N. - You're absolutely right, it is silly and childish and my blogging it was immature, petty, and sinking to her level. Which is fine. This isn't news to me. This rant has generated more attention for TPE and more donations for it, and childish or not, I feel I was sufficiently within my rights considering this person insulted TPE as a whole, the women I know have worked INCREDIBLY hard on it, and is saying everyone would be better off without them and the money they've raised. She called my 'followers' mindless zombies who can't have an opinion of their own, instead of just disagreeing with her. As anyone can now see, this is untrue, and my 'followers' have many opinions of their own, and they don't always agree with mine. Oh and the whole wanting-to-murder-me-for-a-charitable-tweet was a bit of a personal hot-button issue.
I'd say that I'm sorry it disappointed you, but honestly I'm not. I very rarely think I'm wrong, and I don't post something if I think I shouldn't (i.e. I don't post responses to hatemail I get, people insulting my hair, whatever) so if something I post offends you then the likelihood is I'll offend you again in the future.

@Ellie - Well done for your mum, and yeah, best to avoid that. :/

@Flo - I KNOW, RIGHT? Where are these people? Do they exist? I don't think so.

29 October 2011 at 15:47


Ellen said...

Yes, because rather than making cancer (and more specifically cancer prevention) an approachable, common subject, we should leave it as a high-brow topic and just spout statistics and show diagrams.

My sister is going through breast cancer for the second time. She's had a double mastectomy. She makes boob jokes all the time, and has several "save the tatas" shirts.

I think what offends me the most about this woman is how she seems to be implying that a common person, who may not respond to "high-handed" advertising or fundraising but would respond to a pithy message like "save the boobies', somehow doesn't deserve to be made aware or saved.

Also, my favorite part of the argument is: "Call me a humorless feminist..."
"You're a humorless feminist."
"OMFG YOU CALLED ME HUMORLESS FEMINIST HOW DARE YOU."

29 October 2011 at 16:44


-Jen- said...

I'm a little late to the game in terms of commenting, but oh well. That ridiculous person who had a problem with "Save the Boobies" and any other breast-oriented Cancer Awareness messages really pissed me right the eff off. Her comment about, "Fucking Komen?" because apparently the Susan G. Komen organization isn't good enough in the way that it donates money to cancer research and saves lives, really struck a chord with me, as someone who has witnessed the good that has come from the Komen foundation directly -- regardless of what others have "heard" about the organization, or speculate about it. I really wanted to lace this comment with lots of expletives and meanness toward that person, but from the looks of the comments before me, it pretty much goes without saying. And, I'm just not like that. If the tagline "Save the Boobies" or "Tatas" or whatever, gets even ONE additional person to think about breast cancer, do self-exams or donate to a charity for cancer research, then honestly I don't give a crap if it offends someone. That tagline, if it got someone to donate even a dollar to cancer research, just helped to save my mother's life. And THAT is what's important. As someone who has been surrounded by cancer recently, I'm willing to do just about anything to help cancer patients -- even if that means using the word "Boobies" to get people's attention on the issue.

29 October 2011 at 17:31


Shattered said...

To the people who think that Ana "stooped to her level," I don't see this as "devoting an entire entry to the incident," rather I see it as Ana making a very good example of someone who really has no sense of reality in this situation. And as crazy as it is, this woman is not the only person who believes that "save the boobies" and Komen are so bad that not donating at all is the better thing to do - we need to stand up against and speak out about those people, because, until they can name a charity infinitely better than Komen and put some money and/or time where their mouths are, they are hurting the cause.

29 October 2011 at 18:00


dull_flame said...

I just... don't have any words. How can someone have a stick *that far* up their ass? I mean, seriously...

Yes, breast cancer is serious, and some of the campaigns surrounding awareness are just ridiculous, but I see nothing wrong with what you said.

29 October 2011 at 19:07


The Student's Guide To Nail Polish said...

After finishing this, my immediate instinct was to comment 'MARRY ME' but then I remembered number of times that I've done that on your blog previously. So I refrained. The sentiment remains, though.

Your 'I'm always grateful when people let me know when my humour, which they found perfectly funny before I joked about anything they actually cared about, steps over the line and becomes inappropriate.' comment is painfully accurate. I'm a feminist (not that this has any specific importance, not along the 'I'M XYZ AND I WASN'T OFFENDED THEREFORE THIS IS NOT OFFENSIVE' train of thought, just stating) and I found those tweets hilarious. They made me wish I had $10 so I could too sponsor a rant and perhaps wrangle a couple of lulzy tweets out of you in addition.

What I'm trying to say is that she should shut the hell up. ANA IS QUEEN.

Although I know you'd never implore people to attack others on your behalf, anyone that is giving her really nasty tweets should stop, in my opinion. Slightly uncalled for.

29 October 2011 at 19:55


Manicured Slayer said...

*applause*

I did have a breast cancer scare 10 years ago. Had a lumpectomy, still have the scar. Thank GOD it was benign (they also discovered more tissue that was suspicious that hadn't shown up on the mammo, but it was fine too).

And I THINK YOUR SHIT IS FUNNY.

Besides, I'm Bi and ALL FOR saving the boobies. Cuz boobies rock. AND SO DO THE WOMEN (and men) WHO OWN THEM.

Sheesh. I think the internet is on its period this week.

29 October 2011 at 20:03


Abbey said...

To start off, I have to say that I really do love your blog, and think it's awesome that so many beauty bloggers are taking part in charity initiatives. However, there's a couple of things I wanted to speak to.

Personally, I do have an issue with how a lot of breast cancer awareness campaigns reduce women down to their tits. Maybe I'd be more amused by them if we had a world where sexism wasn't a very real issue, and where women weren't constantly reduced to their secondary sex characteristics to sell products, and only treated as passive objects. In North America, it's "save the tatas" or "save the boobies" type campaigns/slogans/sentiments are REALLY common. If we accept a half-assed solution, then half-assed is all we're going to get. As women, as people, we deserve more than just being sexualized objects.

As regards to the "fucking Komen" comment - a quick google of "critique of komen charity" turns up several issues, including the pinkwashing of products*, the trademarking of the pink ribbon and the word "cure" (they've sued other organizations that have "for a cure" or some variant of that phrase in their name, essentially using donated funds to sue small charities). As well, some critique the organization for focusing campaigns on "awareness" rather than actually funding research into treatment and prevention methods. The non-profit Breast Cancer Action looks like a good place to start if you want to learn about critiques of the Susan G. Komen charity.

*pinkwashing - when companies splash a pink ribbon all over their product, talk about how rad they are for doing charity work, and donate a minuscule percent of the profits of product to a breast cancer charity. Frequently, pinkwashed products have a cap on how much will be donated, the proceeds of any products sold over that cap go back to the company.

tl;dr - I think charity campaigns don't have to objectify women to get money/attention. We deserve better.

29 October 2011 at 20:20


Anastasia said...

@Abbey - I simply don't understand the sexist thing. I just don't.

1. Breast cancer affects breasts.

2. It affects the breasts of both women and men.

3. Why is it only women who are being reduced? Breast cancer effects men as well. When a campaign says "save the breasts" it doesn't say "save the female breasts only". It's referring to both of them. Yes, I know pink is the colour and that bugs me, too, but rebranding at this point would do more harm than good.

4. "Save the boob" campaigns grab male attention. If you read the comments here there's one from a man who was saved by just such a campaign.

5. The campaigns work. Stats-and-sad-story campaigns DON'T work. Sex and humour sells, they grab attention and they make more money and get more people involved and raise more awareness. People are de-sensitized to statistics and sad stories.

6. Advertising does whatever it can to re-position a campaign in the most effective place, somewhere it will grab attention which hasn't already been oversaturated, i.e. all the sad/do the right thing campaigns which are less successful.

7. I don't see the 'half assed' part. People aren't doing 'save the boob' campaigns because they're easier than 'breast cancer is bad', they're doing it BECAUSE IT WORKS BETTER. It raises MORE MONEY.

8. They're not selling bras, THEY'RE FIGHTING CANCER. You do EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN to fight cancer. You motivate people with whatever works the best to get them to donate so you have more funding. You do what works best.

9. As women we deserve more than being just sexualized objects. In a perfect world, maybe tits wouldn't be funny. Maybe cancer wouldn't exist. But it does and they are so they do whatever campaigns will get the most attention and raise the most money to fight cancer.

10. Breast cancer affects men, too! Campaigns don't say "save female boobs", they say "save boobs" - ALL boobs! All the boobs at risk from breast cancer, which is all of them! I know I said this earlier but I just don't see the sexism.
Reducing women to their secondary sex characteristics would surely only be applicable if the campaigns only referred to women or female breasts, but they don't. They're about breasts at risk from breast cancer which includes MALE breasts, which are not a secondary sex characteristic in men.

11. Testicular cancer gets the same treatment. It's all about balls. Is this reducing men to their sex organs, too? Or is it just talking about the part of the body that cancer attacks?

I don't get it, I really don't. If I'm missing something then please do explain it to me.

On top of all that, even if it WAS offensive, which I simply don't see, IT'S CANCER. You do whatever you can to fight cancer. You do what works best. Fundraising, even if it's in a vulgar and tasteless way, does more to fight cancer than bitching and moaning about the choice of language in a campaign does. Is it better to LOSE MONEY in order to avoid offending people?

29 October 2011 at 21:07


Amanda MacKenzie said...

I'm in my final year of college majoring in women's studies, so I'm primed to see patriarchal bullshit pretty much everywhere. And I'll just say that I never saw your original post as an attempt to reduce people (especially women) to their body parts. A little common sense goes a long way, and I understand that your intent is to raise money through humor. I find it odd that HF wouldn't "get" that as a regular reader of your blog. I hope that she gets some perspective. There's enough systematic oppression towards women in the world without inventing offense where none truly exists.

Also, feminists who go the fuck overboard really, really put people off. And that makes life difficult for people like me.

29 October 2011 at 22:22


Sam said...

Exactly Amanda, lets first go after the perpetrators of capital and corporal punishment against women for such heinous acts as disobeying their husband or being seen in public without an escort. In countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Then we'll go after all the bastard men who like tits.

29 October 2011 at 23:57


zw said...

Ugh, it's people like that that give feminists a bad name.
"Funny campaigns tend to be more successful" - absolutely! And I absolutely agree that it's awful that breast cancer gets to be pink, which is absolutely a feminine color, when it's not solely a feminine issue.
[And I need to find a synonym to "absolutely".]
People should always talk about things like breast cancer and I think it's awesome that you are taking your time out to help them donate money.
And the reason to hate PeTA is because they're hypocrites (see:PETAkillsanimals dot com) over anything else. :P

Oh, and "wankstain", really? She gets mad you say "boobies" but calls you "wankstain"?

30 October 2011 at 03:17


S.L. Naeole said...

I'm a woman. With boobs. The last thing that tweet made me feel is objectified.

Anyone with half a sense of self should feel offended that HF believes us so weak that all women everywhere could be relegated to nothing more than a pair of tits by the !!~**POWER**~!! of a fucking TWEET. I am not so worthless that who I am can be dictated by a tweet. That HF would believe so is the true objectification.

30 October 2011 at 05:09


Jessica said...

i'm just wondering when having breasts and talking about them became so offensive. i've noticed a rise in the disgust with breasts (coming from feminists and biologically-female genderqueers). when did it become so awful to be a woman with.... TITTIES?!?!?!?! BOOBS! breasts!

30 October 2011 at 07:53


Jessica said...

also, i suddenly can't access that private facebook makeup group... was it deleted? you don't need to publish this... i'm just really bummed!

30 October 2011 at 08:01


UneLuneBleue said...

<3 U Ana!

31 October 2011 at 06:29


Yarn Cat said...

I don't normally swear when I comment on the Internet, but I can't think of other comment except : 'this woman just has no fucking sense of humour!' oups, I shouldn't have said 'woman' coz it might be considered sexist, right? Sorry I am not doing this political correctness thing very well. And yes, I am a feminist too, but I am not offended by the 'boob' statement, coz I have a sense of humour.

31 October 2011 at 15:15


Compassionak said...

As a 37 year old woman with Stage IV breast Cancer I'd just like to say that life is too short to get offended by things people say on the internet. Personally I'd much rather hear a joke or something that makes me laugh than to always have to take things seriously. I have enough serious shit in my life,I am surrounded by serious crap all day every day. Seeing a humorous post regarding breast Cancer is a nice change,it reminds me to smile and laugh and not dwell on the fact I am dying.

I am one of those people who believe that any publicity is good publicity if it draws attention and gets people to spread the word on what a horrible disease this really is. If the publicity gets people to think about this disease and give themselves an exam and talk to their friends and relatives then who cares if it's serious or not?

What I find most annoying is that most breast Cancer campaigns are aimed at woman over the age of 40. You can't go in and say,"Hey I want a mammogram",unless you have a large mass or a family history of breast cancer. In the state of Alaska (not sure if it is the same in all states)you have to be 40 years of age or older in order to get a mammogram.

I don't get why woman and men can't be given an ultrasound on their breasts at an earlier age than 40. I was told mammograms don't work well on young women because the tissue is too dense,but it seems like there should be something that would work without being too invasive or causing damage in order to check young men and women for cancer early on. Being able to stop it at the first signs before it's too late would be incredible.

I think there needs to be more focus on women and men of all ages and that breast exams should be taught early on in sex ed. There are too many young women and men who are dying of Cancer because there isn't enough awareness out there.

I also think there should be more awareness raised on the different stages,because it seems like alot of people don't quite understand them. I have to travel out of town every month and I am always getting asked on the plane or when I get in my cab what I am doing in town and I'll tell people why I am there. I will explain I am there for Cancer treatment and that I have stage IV Cancer and most people act as if stage IV Cancer is no biggy. There are so many people who think all I need is a mastectomy,Chemo or radiation and I'll be fine. I wish that was the case...

What Abbey said about Pinkwashing is correct. Most items marketed with the Breast Cancer ribbon only donate a fraction of what they make selling the items. It's not right to market products like that where people are deceived into thinking they are doing a good deed,but in reality they are just helping the company fill it's pockets and not doing much as far as financing a cure goes. I find alot of items marketed towards Breast Cancer to be offensive. Did you know you can buy a Breast Cancer awareness Roomba and a large Breast Cancer Awareness trashcan?

I like this post:
“As I passed by the scores of breast cancer walkers this weekend after seeing this film, here’s what I thought: Pink wig? About $30 at Display and Costume. Pink tutu? Probably at least $25. Those hot pink leggings and bike shorts? Probably $20-40 a pop. A pink feather boa? Maybe $15-20. Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching. If every single person marching had taken the money they spent on cutesy costumes, donated that cash instead directly to a foundation supporting research into causes as well as cures, and then emailed everyone they knew asking them to do the same, how much more money could have gone into the actual cause for which they were marching, than into how they looked while doing it? Now multiply that times the tens of thousands of people who participate in these fundraising walks. It’s a tough question, but one that deserves the serious consideration.

1 November 2011 at 23:54


Kitty Lovett; The Unadulterated Cat said...

This just in: people have boobs!

What the fuck is up with this woman? Like, honestly. Also all those things about PETA using nekkid ladies to promote animal welfare being OMG SEXIST!!!!!11!! is just odd. Women are naked under those clothes, and men are attracted to that. Wow, that's just amazing new information right there.

Herself: she needs to get over it.

Sincerely, a feminist (with tahtahs).

2 November 2011 at 15:07


Issa said...

Reading your post, a few things came to mind, like "People have issues" and "Seriously? Who misinterprets things that badly?" but mostly this:
http://candicomics.com/d/20060720.html

2 November 2011 at 20:33


Samantha said...

A. GOOD FOR YOU. You're handling this with way more maturity, poise and self-confidence than I would have.

B. I read the whole rant and it was really hilarious, without being any meaner than HF deserved.

C. I feel like the title of your post is a little insensitive and un-feminist of you. You're reducing people to their body parts....I'm just kidding, it's a perfect "fuck you" to HF. Cracked me up!

4 November 2011 at 16:59


Claaah said...

There's one thing I haven't seen mentioned here...
What about the survivors who have actually lost their breasts to cancer? I've known women this has happened to. Losing their breasts has been very hard for them to come to terms with. NOT because a woman isn't a woman without tits or any nonsense about that, but because they lost a part of their body. A part they have known as part of themselves for years was dramatically changed. Obviously that is a better option than death, but that doesn't mean it's easy.

I know that they would never wish that on anyone else, and if getting the message out there about breast cancer (in whatever way possible) means that some women will get diagnosed earlier and therefore ideally both survive AND save their boobies - how can that be a bad thing?

It's about raising awareness as much as it is about raising money for research.

Save the boobies has another message - get checked regularly if you want to keep your boobies where they are. The earlier the diagnosis the better the chances of surviving and of literally saving your boobies.


Therefore I say save the boobies! Obviously save the people too. In fact lets just in general concentrate on raising money/awareness so people both stay alive and get to keep all their bits (boobs, arms, legs, kidneys, teeth etc - I personally would like all mine to stay where they are).

16 November 2011 at 08:29


Ayailla said...

Add me to the list of people who has lost a close relative to breast cancer and wasn't offended by your jokes in the slightest.

19 November 2011 at 19:02


Nena said...

Boobs.

10 February 2012 at 21:15


Chris Fairhead said...

Wow. She was clearly overreacting and patronizing you, virtually begging for such a response but...did you not just "feed the troll" as your friend Amanda would say? People like that aren't worth it, even if they are low enough to call you out publicly when you had good intentions with what you said (and didn't repay her the unkindness of calling HER out so openly , kudos to you for that)...in my experience it's better to humor these kinds of people, even if they're wrong and say, "I'm sorry I offended you, that was not my intention." You don't have to be sorry for you said, only realize that even if they're a complete whacko their feelings are probably legitimate to them in their own mind, right? And that is usually enough for them to realize you probably aren't a complete jerk and they can have a hissy fit all they want, but they won't get what they're looking for from you and should simply agree to disagree and move on. And as much as sarcasm is clearly in your nature and sometimes quite amusing  it really provokes crazy people to become even more irrational...so much so that even after they have probably realized how pointless the argument is they just can't stop talking crap cause you've lit their crazy fuse. Just sayin...we should focus on what we have in common with other women and ignore the petty stuff and the petty people. Also, she may just be touchy like that all the time but I wonder if there's more to the story, like perhaps she lost someone close to her to breast cancer and resents anything that could be regarded as insensitivity toward the subject and it just causes her to flip? Either way, she is clearly disturbed in some way & must be left alone, for goodness sake. 

 I found this blog cause I was researching trying to find a good, light colored concealer for "the freakishly pale" lol and I actually have that Bobbi Brown stuff, I just never thought of using it everywhere...are you breakout prone at all? Because I am and that's what I'd be afraid of cause it is very thick.

15 June 2012 at 22:46



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