They aren't just afraid of snakes.

Usually on this blog, and on most beauty blogs, the focus is on what companies should deliver and what we, the consumers, deserve and expect. However, I feel like we have a double standard when it comes to indie companies as opposed to corporate ones, and we're demanding so much more from the little guys than we are from business giants.

Indie makeup is like soylent green: it's people. Real people who have real feelings. On the one hand, we like that. We want indie to be our best friend. We want friendly e-mails and twitter conversations and to be their friend on their personal Facebook, we like business transparency and special exceptions, and personalisation to our packages and little notes on invoices and heads up about sales and coupons, and products named after us and products and colours we suggested or helped to shape and influence. We love it. We feel involved and part of the process and like we're buying from friends and it's not just business.

On the other hand, we want serious business. We want professionalism and orders to be filled correctly and in a timely fashion and mistakes to be rectified, we want polite professional e-mails and decorum at all times and no hint of getting annoyed at the always-right customer, and no slip in the PR façade. An indie business owner is your friend until they do something you don't like, and then they aren't. It's OK for a friend to borrow a DVD and forget to return it until you remind them, but it's not OK for a business to forget your free sample. That's unprofessional. If you call your friend a fucking bitch, it's OK (and pretty warranted, let's face it, you asked for it) for her to insult you back, but that's not OK if she's a business owner. Any business owner.
Anywhere.
Ever.
Even if the person isn't a customer, and an argument develops online in an unrelated group which has nothing to do with that business, with the business owner's personal account, with an issue that has nothing to do with the business, when no one has mentioned the business, and the person isn't even a customer. That's not OK. That's unprofessional and shocking and it reflects poorly on their business and you should boycott.
Business owners aren't allowed to get angry at people who insult them and threaten them who aren't customers, when they aren't working or in their uniform or on their business e-real estate. It's unprofessional. Even if it has nothing to do with their business, it still does, because they own one. They aren't even allowed to flip people off if they cut them off driving to Wal-Mart, or get in an argument with the guy who cuts in front of them with a million packages in the post office when they only have one tiny thing. It's unprofessional. They are their business, all the time, everywhere, even when they're in the shower. Opening an Etsy store immediately forfeits all rights to a human response. Every single person they interact with, however fleetingly or minimally, from the bus driver to their kid's teacher, must be treated like a valued potential customer.

Sound unreasonable? It should. It's an impossibly high standard and is no way to live. Yet, increasingly over the past few weeks I've been seen businesses criticised and condemned for not meeting that unachievable standard.

How do indies cope with the blur between professional and personal? How do they, without a publicist or customer service representative or PR agent, know where to draw the line between friendship and business?
It's extremely difficult and there is no right answer. Being too friendly can result in accusations of unprofessionalism or misreading situations or relationships, and being too business can result in people thinking you're being cold, distant, abrupt, rude or simply offensive. When we're used to the warm personal touches of some indies, running into a colder business presence can be jarring and even feel offensive, as if they don't want to be our friend.

The situation gets even stickier when you factor in that many indie owners are also customers of other indie stores. It makes sense, after all - they make makeup or B&B because they love it, so of course they also buy it and many support indie. As a result, they end up being a part of the blogging community when a new company or product is discussed, or they're hurt when something like Glittersniffer happens to them, too. They're people, and consumers, and business owners, and they're involved in the community. Is that OK? Can another business owner also be an angry customer? Is that unprofessional; is that bashing the competition, or is it their right as a consumer?

For most indies, their work is a labour of love. They make it because they love it and they love making it, and we respond to that. We like to encourage and support real passion for the things we like, rather than just profit margins and market gaps. When their work is criticised - even if that criticism is valid, it doesn't feel good, and while most indies respond with grace and take it in stride, I'm sure it's very difficult. Some, I'm sure, can take it personally and be upset and maybe defensive. To a certain extent, I think we have to forgive this, or at least try to be understanding. Customer service and making makeup are two completely different skillsets and an indie may not be blessed with both. They don't have a PR person to remain polite and detached when they sort out problems. And if you hurl abuse, unprovoked, at an indie owner, don't think it isn't within their rights to hurl it back simply because you might one day be a customer or they own a business. You have just as much responsibility to be civil, polite, and generally decent in communication with an indie business owner as they do to respond that way, and if you open by slinging insults you absolutely deserve whatever you get back.

I'm not saying that customer service doesn't matter or indies should be exempt from delivering it; genuine problems should be fixed and help given. We are all entitled to the products we paid for to arrive as described, in a timely fashion, satisfactory condition and to be fit for their intended purpose. I do think, however, that we set the tone of communication and that if you open communication with an indie business owner being rude or abusive, you need to be aware that they aren't your emotional punching bag, and they aren't some PR person trained to blithely accept your vitriol and respond with bland platitudes. They will react like a human, and you will deserve it.
That might sound strange coming from me. Sure, I rant and I curse - on my blog. In my communication with companies, even if I hate them, I'm still civil. It's just common decency. You don't send a storm of abuse into someone's inbox unless you're a troll. It isn't productive, it isn't a courteous thing to do, and even if you were in the right before, it makes your highground get vanishingly low.

When thinking about this issue, I tried to compare it to corporate makeup companies and relate the situation of what would happen if you got an e-mail response from a corporate business owner that could be considered abrupt, or a little rude. I couldn't, because it wouldn't happen. Not that a corporate business owner wouldn't send a response like that, but that you wouldn't get a response at all. Not from them. There are layers of staff between us and a corporate brand owner - you might have a problem with the shop staff, or the person answering the website e-mail, or the customer service rep on the phone, or their PR company, or an issue with quality control, but none of it gets back to the company owner. They're insulated from it all, and so if you really dislike someone you dealt with you generally think it was just that person and is not indicative of the brand itself, and you're less likely to completely stop shopping there.

Indie doesn't have layers of staff - most don't have any, or any training when it comes to crisis management and conflict resolution and how to stay calm and polite without getting personally involved or offended when you're being insulted or having your work criticised. I think it's unfair to expect a one-or-two person operation to have the same kind of service as a multinational corporation with offices overflowing with staff who have nothing at all to do with product creation. Usually, indie owners are the sole creative and driving force behind the company. Expecting them to do everything just as well as a fully staffed corporation is already asking a lot - expecting them to have no personal life whatsoever, no friends, and express no emotion so they can always represent their business perfectly is as ridiculous as it is impossible. When someone at Sephora leaves work and takes their uniform off, they're no longer representing their company. Their entire life isn't their job - why isn't the same true for an indie business?

We can't have it both ways. They can't please everyone and they'll go insane if they try. There isn't even an obvious answer - just a tenuous balance somewhere in the middle and the hope that no over-zealous blogger with a touch of crazy and a whole lot of angry isn't going to try and bring you down for it, and I know some of them are honestly afraid of this. Indie can either be cold and über-professional and business-like all the time and we can deal with them not being our best friend, with keeping communication curt and civil and us getting what we paid for, or it can be warm and personal and sometimes mistakes happen and that doesn't have to be the end of the fucking world. It can be one or the other, or it can try to be in-between and we should recognise that it can't be both and that finding that balance is hard, and inevitably people will disagree on where the middle should be. They can't be your friend when you want to feel involved and an unprofessional businessperson a beat later for trying to act like a person. Indie is people. All the time, even when it's inconvenient.
Mistakes and misunderstandings are going to happen, and if the standards we hold indie to don't become more reasonable, I can't see them wanting to stick around. I know that isn't what we want, and I certainly don't want to be the reason we can't have nice indie things - do you?

This isn't so much a rant, as it is a request. Every other post on this blog might be for the good of the consumer, but this one is for indie. For the love of adorable kittens, please give indie a break. Back the fuck off it for a while. At least don't hold it to higher standards than you hold corporations, for goodness' sake, when they're operating with approximately one billionth of the staff and resources. Get some perspective, they aren't all Glittersniffer. If the products are good, if you get them on time, if they're as described and they don't arrive split open or unsanitary or drenched in pig's blood, if you aren't robbed or lied to, maybe that can be good enough for a while, and we can avoid starting any more witch hunts.

40 comments:

sugarcoating said...

As someone who recently discovered the wonders of indie make up brands and various beauty bloggers, i think this post deserves a standing ovation. I'm pretty detached from the drama that has surrounded some brands -and that fine by me! - but i do notice the double standards that you eloquently pointed out.

There is a sense of entitlement that some customers expect, that they need to know the ins and outs of their favourite indie brands and they need to realise while many indie owners have a noticeable online presence, some do not and it's not such a bad thing.

All I want is quality products and service and honestly, i don't mind paying high international shipping prices. As long as my products arrive as sold i'm a very happy woman. I think it's important to support awesome indie make-up companies when it's so obvious of the love and effort that goes into these products.

I probably rehashed some of your post, but you took the words right out my mouth anyway! :)

Sarah x

24 August 2011 00:44


ShinkenRed said...

Very well said, Anastasia. Very well said. There is indeed a double standard, I think and in the recent situation, I don't think I was frowning on someone having an issue with how things were handled so much as how they went about voicing it and exposing some things. I wasn't okay with it and I posted about it. I'm not sure exactly what prompted this exact blog post but I wanted to say hear, hear!

24 August 2011 00:51


Glitterish Allsorts said...

Thank goodness someone is saying it! This whole drama is feting way out of hand! Awesome post, well dome Ana! X

24 August 2011 00:53


Glitterish Allsorts said...

Okay that 'dome' was obviously meant to be 'done'. Stupid bloody auto correct crap!

24 August 2011 00:54


femputer said...

A voice of reason, at last. Thanks for writing this. You always express yourself so well.

24 August 2011 00:57


JH said...

This is why I never bother getting personal with those people with whom I conduct business. I guess for some people a personal relationship with a business owner is very important, but I'm pretty much just there for the things I want to buy. This works for me because I expect no more and no less than I would get in any other business transaction, yet I've also noticed that certain indie companies provide a clearly distinct difference in service to members of their personal fanclub versus regular customers. I don't much care for that at all.

24 August 2011 00:58


Phyrra said...

Fantastic! *hug* As always, I love what you have to say.

24 August 2011 01:14


Abbey said...

I did retail all through high school and university, and I feel like that far too frequently people forget that when you deal with a business/store, you are dealing with actual people. If you're polite and respectful towards them, you get WAY further (and yes, I would go the extra mile for the customer who was polite towards me!). No one likes getting bitched out or being talked to rudely.

It's so important to just be kind to one another. I know that sounds kind of cheesy, but it's important.

Thank you for this post Ana, it's a much needed one.

24 August 2011 01:20


Shattered said...

Ana, you continue to be a beacon of common sense in this vast internet of senselessness.

On a tangent, I was so fed up with one person's ridiculous witchhunt that it's been a struggle not to just call them out by name on it. I know I'm not innocent, far from it, but I go after companies that make mistakes as businesses; huge difference.

24 August 2011 01:32


olgiepolgie said...

Here, here!

24 August 2011 01:40


Amber Dawn said...

I think I'm in love with you. That is all.

24 August 2011 01:41


The Peach said...

Thanks for your thoughts! Well wrote! Indie is people and the interactions with people is generally what gets them business and advertising. And since they are people, they are entitled to their opinions in matters. From what I can tell, the whole situation got out of control really fast. But in the defensive of the people who did not get their products or products that were of unacceptable quality, they do have the right to rant. I just personally had an issue of getting fucked over on a house painting job by a person who claimed to be my friend. It was very theraputic for me to be able to rant to my friends and get it off my chest. I think that people have a right to do so. I also find it important for customers to share their experiences with others in a healthy way so other consumers are aware of potential issues with a company or product.

24 August 2011 02:20


Miss Bekka said...

As I said on Twitter, I don't hold indie to a higher standard that corporate... I hold them to the same (but proportionate) standard. Anything more or less is potentially damaging for everyone. Forgiving a company too much simply because you feel invested in a friendship does nothing but give that company more leeway to get worse. But taking every opportunity to spew venom about a company just because they said something you found offensive? Bollocks. Learn where the boundaries are between business and friendship before you even attempt to invest any emotion in these companies/owners.

I definitely agree that some folk are specialized in one particular area. I work for a fairly busy and drama-filled online community. Not my brainchild, but the result of another person's compassion for other people. They're the heartbeat of the community... but their public relations skills aren't the greatest in the world. That's where I come in.

And hell, I do it for free.

Surely I'm not the only person who would work for no cash. I daresay that there are quite a few people who would work PR in exchange for a damn blush or two a month. So while I agree that people should be considerate to owners who may not be particularly skilled in gab, owners should find people who are skilled. If they don't put in that effort, they're not taking their business seriously enough.

24 August 2011 02:21


Ashke said...

I am glad someone finally got fed up enough with all the drama and put their foot down...kudos to you girl :)

I love indie companies. I find I get the unique colors I adore without ingredients that react with my skin that unfortunately most big companies have in their formulations.

While it's nice that some I die companies seem to be more approachable and easy to communicate with I find that many people have come to view that as a right and not a privilege. Like you said, these small companies don't have the huge staff or PR backing lime their bigger counter parts so a lot of thief service depends on word of mouth. They often go above and beyond normal customer service in order to please their customers.

When something fails, like a misplaced order or wrong merchandise, we are more likely to get all prissy with an indie company like they were put on this earth to make products for us and us alone -_-

I will continue to champion my indie girls&guys by purchasing their lovely products and understanding that they too are people...they deserve the same treatment we would lime ourselves to recieve.

Once again I say thank you for pulling the proverbial wool off of our eyes and making people realize that hey, we're all human :)

24 August 2011 02:21


Headacheslayer "The Crafty Angel" said...

BRAVA!

I contacted an Indie for the very first time last week. I didn't hear back, so today I sent a very pleasant email, letting them know that I understand if email ate it, they were very busy, whatever, no worries.

When the Indie replied--QUICKLY--sure enough, my email had gone to spam. I reassured her I was not upset in the least, and to not worry. This isn't life or death for me. And as a busy mom who wishes my own Indie business would, well, get busy, I hope that ppl can be as you said--friendly to me.

It's all Karma. You reap what you sow.

Blessings to all the Indies out there! And THANK YOU Ana for standing up for them!!

I meet the *nicest* people online this way, thru personal businesses.

*HUGS* to you!!

24 August 2011 02:28


FrancesDanger said...

Thank you so much for this. It was sorely needed.

I am, by and large, a consumer advocate so what I am about to say may seem weird but I'll say it anyway. THE CUSTOMER ISN'T ALWAYS RIGHT.

There are limits. If you get what you paid for in a timely manner then they have met their burden as a business owner. Yes, exceptional customer service is always a plus but that's above and beyond. When you expect above and beyond all the time of course you are going to be disappointed when it's simply 'good' CS. But 'good' CS should be enough. You cannot buy a shadow and expect the moon. It's too much.

With the climate being what it is today I think we are all, customers and business owners, in a very tough situation. Now is the time to take indie back, to define it as the wonderful, unique, beautiful thing it is. All businesses are not GlitterSniffer, nor are all customers the glittermob. In order for indie to recover and thrive we all need to take a deep breath and get back to the wonder of it all.

I hope we can because I love indie and I want to see it be successful. Time will tell what is to happen but it's up to us to make it happen. It can be all about the pretty again of we let it. I just hope it's soon.

24 August 2011 02:46


Amanda said...

Amazing as usual, although I'm kind of sad that it needed to be said at all. I suppose it's as my slightly off-kilter grandma always said, when time came to give out common sense, too many people were hiding behind the barn door. <3

24 August 2011 03:03


Manda said...

I love you. That is all.

24 August 2011 03:06


Kait said...

Very nice job! I appreciate the points you made. And my goodness... I DO love adorable kittens. : )

24 August 2011 03:13


Starrydance said...

Yes, yes, and more yes.

As a beginning indie maker Ill be brutally honest and say most of my slow start and continued set backs are sheer worry of 'the what ifs'.

Dont get me wrong, the information of how to do it right is invaluable and Im so pleased, but theres this feeling like doom is just one mistake away, one sleepy comment away.

Im a friendly nice person. I love bright colors, I love making people happy. I love glitter. I love my art and putting it atop makeup jars. I could do this for a living and make all my dreams come true!

But if I make one mistake to the wrong person, it can all fall down before Im even given a chance to make it write.

24 August 2011 03:14


thecandiedmango said...

I agree. Vigorously.

24 August 2011 03:17


UneLuneBleue said...

Just when I think it's not possible to <3 you any more, you prove me wrong with your awesomeness! There's nothing for me to add here as you said it all perfectly, except "I'm proud to support indie business!". xoxo

24 August 2011 03:47


Britton said...

Ana, seriously, THANK YOU. From both Matt and I, thank you so much for writing this!

24 August 2011 03:55


Marcey said...

Ana, congrats & thank you for this wonderful post which I hope will make people think. Having been an eBay seller for several years I've seen all sorts of stupidity from buyers with impossible expectations & a great inability to read descriptions and other important info.

I love the indie community and always recommend it highly. I have so many beautiful colors in my collection because someone cared enough to make them for my use. Let's hope things can settle down for a while.

24 August 2011 04:30


Kitty said...

I agree with this so much! I especially feel bad for people that make one tiny mistake and it haunts them for life. I'm a bit irked at one company though. I took advantage of their heartsy sale and have waited two months. I've moved twice since then and they aren't answering my pms. I don't think I'm going to get that order. I checked their facebook though, and it looks like they have a lot of family emergencies happening, so I think I'd feel like a jerk if I complained. blarg.

24 August 2011 04:46


Tariray said...

Wow - I didn't realise there was a drama shitstorm anywhere on the horizon.

Oh well, the internet is a magical breeding ground for self-entitled wankers who hide their selfish and egotistic outrage behind a keyboard.

Well done!

24 August 2011 05:31


DazzleGlam said...

Thank you so much for this. It is very hard as a indie owner to also be a consumer. I myself have had accusations made that I wanted information about colors to help my own shop while I was just wondering what the owner would've suggested for me in regards to their colors.

Also while "ranting" it "upset" people that a business owner, while still being a human being and a consumer, could possibly publicize my ordeal. I myself am professional with every single one of my consumers because I do appreciate them and their business.

Basically I am not allowed to share my feelings because I am a business owner. I can't tell people how I feel, and my own experiences with businesses. Well it's my blog, and I'll honestly say how I feel (no sugar coating).

Again thank you so much for this. It is hard sometimes knowing that people want what the want, and if I veer from that I could be criticized. Ana you're the greatest.

24 August 2011 06:04


Duvessa said...

Thank you for this! :) I can't believe some of the writings I've read all around the net about separate indie companies (some might've deserved it, some definitely didn't).

Just to say, customers aren't always right. I work in a corporate business and it's been told us by our bosses that customers definitely aren't always right nor know things best. I'm in finance business and not make up so a bit different. True in corporate businesses we are taught how to treat people - even if they are wrong! - in a polite manner and not take it personally or start arguing with them.

24 August 2011 08:25


Nini said...

What everyone else said, very well said Ana and I'm glad someone said it!

I keep a distance from the drama going on in the indie MU community, in fact I keep a general distance from this community because of this drama.
If it isn't one thing it's another at the end of the day it's JUST make up!

You don't need to be the owners friend, you don't have a right to know their personal business and to be honest in light of what has been happening lately that's probably for the best. I don't know, just my 2 cents.

24 August 2011 08:29


Clara said...

Best article on indie ever. Thank you for it.

24 August 2011 10:05


Kuume said...

I love you Ana. Posts like this are the reason I started following your blog in the first place.

I can't believe the amount of people that bitch and rant at small business owners. As an international customer I'm even used to waiting for my items. Even now, when I'm waiting for my terrarium and my other order of supplies for the 4th week I still believe in remaining civil. My questions are answered to, and most problems com from either finding a shipping company or an item being out of stock and not delivered to THEM on time. I can't believe how people can become upset over such things.

The same comes to indie makeup companies. I'd much rather have a civil coversation if mistakes are being made, that helps a lot more than screaming for murder. People do make mistakes, and it's certainly not the end of the world. Besides, I love the personal notes and stuff like that. Still I don't believe in butting in their lives either. I think as much as indie companies need to find the balance between frienly and business-like, we as customers need to find that balance too.

24 August 2011 12:05


eef said...

i love this article! i do my best to shop indie, and i'm an indie business owner myself.

i don't hold other indie business owners to ridiculously high standards, but i do find myself expecting a more personal service than i do from a corporation. i think that's okay, it's one of the reasons i like to shop indie.
that said, i do think that too many people (probably the ones who don't own a business themselves) expect TOO much. i don't expect super-fancy packaging, a personal letter, and freebies when i order something. i'm thrilled to get these things, but i'm also perfectly happy with a note on the invoice that says "thanks!". i think that for me, i like buying indie because i like supporting indie owners, and i like when they acknowledge that i bought from them--not the big corporation. it doesn't take much though!
as a business owner myself, i feel pressured to include freebies and make sure everything is beyond perfect, because one bad or even neutral review can turn people off SO quickly.
i also feel like i can't voice my opinion on my blog about certain things, because that will lose me blog readers and customers. now, the flip side is that this kind of makes sense, because people who buy indie are supporting the owner and if they don't agree with the owner on something they may not want to support them--i know i have felt this way about corporations--but it makes it very difficult to be yourself sometimes!
if i didn't own a business i probably wouldn't care about losing blog readers--either read my blog or don't, it's mine--but since i don't want to turn off potential customers i find myself censoring my thoughts all too often!

okay, sorry to write a book, but i love this article!

24 August 2011 13:35


beautifulwithbrains said...

Very well-said and I completely agree. Thanks for writing this.

24 August 2011 19:25


Phoenix said...

Fantastic post, I completely agree with you. I find it really rude how selfish, demanding and short-sighted some people can be. Everyone should just chill out and not be a dick.

25 August 2011 03:43


Eplefe said...

DazzleGlam: Didn't you blog that under your shop name? Because that's actually pretty natural that people see you as a shop owner if you blog under the shop name. Several shop owners have one shop-blog and one personal blog, picking which one to post a rant on is a pretty big thing. Just saying.

25 August 2011 07:51


Anastasia said...

@Sugarcoating - Honestly while writing it I noticed that I do some of the things I mentioned which cause problems for the business owners. I'm glad I noticed them in myself so I can try to stop doing them x]

I agree with you, and I think we can lose sight of what we should be happy with when we see some companies going above & beyond and when we see personal drama floating around.

@ShrinkenRed - Nothing specific prompted it really, it was more a culmination of everything. I just woke up with it in my head and couldn't get back to sleep until I vented!

@Glitterish Allsorts - I LOVE your screen name XD and thank you ^^

@Femputer - Well, I think there were already a few voices of reason, but thank you :] I hope it makes a difference =/

@JH - It's hard for me, as a blogger, to keep the blogger-company customer-company relationship straight. If I review someone positively and keep ordering, swatching etc, it's impossible not to build up a relationship with them, at least for me. It can be very hard to keep it all straight in my head, but my first duty is always to my readers so that helps.
I don't mind businesses sending freebies/special treatment to their friends, it's their right, but when those people recommend the company and give someone the impression that's the same treatment they'll get, then that's a problem for me. As a friend, I like special treatment - it means someone likes me! As a blogger, I don't want it. It makes my job harder.

@Phyrra - Thank you honeybunches! <3

@Abbey - Yes. Precisely, exactly this. Being aggressive isn't condusive to getting anything done. It's not productive and it's not decent and we should know better.

@Shattered - There is a difference. Like I said, we all have the right to get what we paid for, as described, on time, in a satisfactory condition and for it to be fit for its intended purpose. If there's a problem with any of that, then that's worth talking about.

@Olgiepolgie - Thanks ^_^;

@Amber Dawn - :O <3

@The Peach - I thought I made the distinction clear. I intentionally tried to clarify that part. We are all entitled to getting what we paid for, on time, as described, in a satisfactory condition and it should be fit for its intended purpose. If there's something wrong with that - rant away. It should be fixed, you have a genuine grievance, yes, and it's beneficial for other potential customers to know. It sounds like you did the right thing - rant to friends and get it off your chest, but if you need to get it sorted out with the business, it's much more productive to remain civil.

@Miss Bekka - The trouble with what you suggest (I'd do it for product, as well) is that in order for someone to be useful in that capacity - i.e. respond to customer e-mails, order problems, enquiries etc, they'd need access to the business e-mail account. Which would include the personal information and contact information of customers. Probably not financial information, but it would still involve them having to see/find order receipts, seeing addresses, e-mail addresses, orders and order amounts. NO BUSINESS should hand access to that information out unless they are positive that person is trustworthy. I imagine it's virtually impossible to find anyone you can TRUST with your customer's information without meeting them, interviewing them etc, and then the pool of people who'd do it free gets extremely small. I would have a WAY bigger problem with a company handing access to my personal information over to some random person than with them simply being a bit snippy when they talk to me.

25 August 2011 17:47


Anastasia said...

@Ashke - You're right. Especially the "put on this earth to make products for us alone" sentiment. I didn't consider it that way, but I agree with you. I hope that most indie customers are like you :]

@Headacheslayer - It is so much easier all round to get a positive result if you try to keep calm in direct communication with sellers, I agree. Haha *hugs* to you too!

@Frances - <3.
That is all.
P.S. FLN.

@Amanda - Bwahaha. Your grandma sounds pretty awesome.

@Manda - <3 right back :3

@Kait - Do it for the kittens! For their little paws! e.e

@Starry - I really appreciate you commenting with this. It's exactly what I'm talking about. You aren't the only indie I know feels this way, and it's really not OK. Everyone deserves the chance to fix simple mistakes and shouldn't be scared about being attacked or having their business ruined just because of a misunderstanding and hysteria =[

@Thecandiedmango - Vigorously? Excellent XD

@Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue - <3 FLN4lyf.

@Britton - Awwh, you're welcome ^^ thanks for making me smell good.

@Marcey - I agree completely.

@Kitty - I can understand why you'd feel bad making a fuss, but it's within your rights to - at the least - demand a response just to make sure the seller has your CURRENT address. I know Heartsy can really do a number on sellers and I think patience is often required to get orders, but they really ought to let you know they have the right address.

@Tariray - Ahahahaha, excellently put.

@Dazzle - Honestly, regarding that specific issue, I think you were both wrong. I think your initial post was wrong just because 2 days is NOT an unreasonable amount of time to wait for a response, I'd give someone at least 4+ especially when they had Heartsy going on. I also think that the seller was wrong in responding to you initially the way they did. I don't think you weren't entitled to blog about the experience after her reply, but like Rebecca said, you might have avoided criticism if you did so on a separate personal blog, rather than the business one. I know most indies have two for this reason, so they can post as a consumer but also as a business owner, separately.

25 August 2011 17:47


Anastasia said...

@Duvessa - Lol, I've worked in retail and they definitely aren't always right, hahaha. But yeah, it's important to try and be civil on both sides in order to solve disputes.

@Nini - Yeah, I agree. Although, I think indie business owners are still entitled to make and have friends, and their friends should still be able to buy from them... so it's complicated. But you can have friends privately and still keep things professional publically, I know plenty who do that.

@Clara - Thank you for thinking so! ^_^;

@Kuume - Haha, maybe international shopping grooms us to be a little more patient? You're absolutely right. We should take some responsibility for the relationship on our end, too.

@Eef - Some personal service, I agree. Things like being able to get an e-mail response from the person who makes the stuff personally to answer questions, for example. I don't think all indies have to even write 'thank you' on an invoice or include business cards, though. I like that, but I don't expect it. I know packing orders can take ages, so I understand if the extras are skipped.
It's a shame you feel censored, I know a lot of business owners have two blogs - one business and one personal, so they can still be themselves, although of course for some people that's not enough of a distinction.

@Gio - <3!!

@Phoenix - Bwahahaha. This, exactly.

25 August 2011 17:47


cinseven13 said...

Very well written, and once again I'd like to say you have wisdom far beyond your years.

27 August 2011 00:31


Jynx said...

This is a tough one, it really is.

I run two small businesses, Jynx Dreads and Spellbound by Jynx. I adore each and every one of my customers and clients. Not because they're giving me money, but because they enjoy my product. I have built many friendships with them, and I do my best not to let that effect my business conduct.

Big problems have only really arisen when someone had taken the friendship for granted, expecting much more than I can give. I would be very happy if I could give away twenty full pots of pigment and a couple sets of dreads a day, but that's just not feasible. I'd love to respond to every email within moments, but then I'd never get any work done! I believe that many others running indie companies feel the same way, no matter how long they've been around. It's about the love for what you do and the people you do it for that makes it worth it.

That being said, it's hard not to let people see you for exactly who you are when you're in that position. We all have life to deal with, none of us are perfect. I'd rather deal with someone who's open and honest about everything than someone who puts on a perfect act for the public. Granted, you may not agree with everything they say, think, or do, but it's rare to find someone that you do agree with about everything.

As long as there's mutual respect and honesty (if someone thought my product was total garbage, I'd want them to say something, not toss it in the trash and act like everything's fine) I believe it's beneficial to all parties involved.

29 August 2011 09:01



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