The unicorn queen's antics deserve their own post, this time. Check it out, if you've ever bought anything from Lime Crime, Xenia* thinks you're an idiot. And an imbecile. And a--wait, I'm seeing a trend here.
This screenshot was taken by Tea who wins a whole internet for her fast-fingered screencapping, on Lime Crime's riduclous self-congratulatory article at the Examiner (which she described as a New York newspaper, when actually, anyone who signs up can submit articles).
As of right now, this comment is still up there. I re-screened it, to take a non-cropped screenshot to limit the number of "omg thats a photoshop i no photoshops i can tell cuz the pixels r wrong n i no pixels" responses. I snapped a photo of my monitor on my camera, too, for good measure.
You can find the full screenshot here. Alternatively click here, scroll down and find the comment yourself until it's removed.
One of her ex-fans had this to say:
*Of course, it might not be her. It could be someone simply posting as her - perhaps poetic justice given how many times she's done that, herself. I don't know, although after reading about Lillian's experience with her, I think it sounds a lot like her, and I've no doubt she thinks it.
So, believe it, don't, but allegedly Xenia and her loyal, devoted, squadron of unicorns think anyone who buys from her is, obviously, an idiot.
Although I have to say, if you do so after seeing this, you probably are.
As of right now, this comment is still up there. I re-screened it, to take a non-cropped screenshot to limit the number of "omg thats a photoshop i no photoshops i can tell cuz the pixels r wrong n i no pixels" responses. I snapped a photo of my monitor on my camera, too, for good measure.
You can find the full screenshot here. Alternatively click here, scroll down and find the comment yourself until it's removed.
One of her ex-fans had this to say:
I admit, at first I thought it was a real fan support comment - they look so similar...
*Of course, it might not be her. It could be someone simply posting as her - perhaps poetic justice given how many times she's done that, herself. I don't know, although after reading about Lillian's experience with her, I think it sounds a lot like her, and I've no doubt she thinks it.
So, believe it, don't, but allegedly Xenia and her loyal, devoted, squadron of unicorns think anyone who buys from her is, obviously, an idiot.
Although I have to say, if you do so after seeing this, you probably are.
56 comments:
I'm so glad to see you post that up. Wow. I'm going to link to your article and post it on my blog.
30 October 2009 16:04Xenia REALLY cares about her customers (sarcasm).
Hey hun, I normally love your blog for its honest reporting, but those comments struck me as fake. You know I can't stand the chick, but it really sounds like someone pretending to be Doe to make her look bad. I believe the person posting as "all press is good press" is Doe, but not
30 October 2009 16:06this one.
Honestly, I wish she'd stop doing silly things so I could return to regular scheduled blogging.
30 October 2009 16:07I would never in a million years defend Doe of course, but I think if we fall for something so silly we lose credibility.
30 October 2009 16:08I considered that, too, Purplecutie, but given what I read on Lillian's blog about her e-mails with Xenia, I think the tone of voice sounds an awful lot like her.
30 October 2009 16:08It could be someone posting as her, of course, you're right.
I saw that too. Of course it might not be her, but it really sounds like her to me. It was really similar to the messages she sent me ages ago, and those were definately her as they were from her livejournal.
30 October 2009 16:37I pointed this out on the thread, one telltale sign it's not Doh is that her eye dusts are $12, not $16. The real Doh would know this. I just think that our valid arguments and complaints about getting ripped off by this company become less credible if we fall for something as silly as someone pretending to be Doh. I think the person posting as "all press is good press" is definitely her though, she likes to post anonymously.
30 October 2009 16:42I'm not sure if it's Xenia. I think she'd be risking too much and she's not that stupid...
30 October 2009 16:49She'd post it as a fake-fan.
Still, i'm glad that are many people who know she's a scammer.
Unless they considered shipping. :/
30 October 2009 16:49(but I dunno... I first thought it was her... for she was kind of rude when I asked her about the repackaging... but I think she is smarter than this. - Still... if she believes none of her fans have the article link, then it could be her...)
30 October 2009 16:50https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5016145615593884213&postID=7735629895884504062&page=1
30 October 2009 17:00But I DID get an answer and... well... I think this one is Xenia or just a very exalted fan.
Still, I don't want to flood the blog. The guy is a good artist. He deserves comments 'cause of his good works.
Oh lawd. Either way it's hilarious and shows just how awful everything surrounding Lime Crime is. If it was Xenia, just proves how low she does go to insult those that dare to defy her. If it isn't, she's got the batshit insanes hanging off her every word.
30 October 2009 17:07i made the goat geere comments because the thread was getting a little serious business, and it just needed some lightening up. also i think it covered all the bases: sockpuppet, check. deny any wrong doing, check. make fun of amy, check. admit to wrong doing and say that anyone who bought makeup from limecrime is stupid and xenia is smart, check. "xenis" started out as an innocent typo, but i kept it :D
30 October 2009 17:20basically, they're the cliff notes version of all the legitimate complaints people have + the sockpuppet replies if people are all tl;dr.
I feel like I need to reiterate, again, that I have the best blog readers in the world. You guys have me roffling all over the floor.
30 October 2009 17:26Tea, you just made me splurt Pepsi out of my nose.
Oh god, the drama. The DRAMA!
also, if you don't believe that the "you're all idiots" comment is her, curious how it it's no longer there.
30 October 2009 17:28Cacau, wtf is a thunder-cunt? That comment certainly seems like her <_<;
30 October 2009 17:29Ohhh lmao. This whole thing is ridiculous. It's all right if we laugh about it, she can carry on prancing about like the unicorn queen.
Hmmm.. 'Thunder-cunt' gives me all sorts of disturbing images flashing in my mind. They don't remind me of unicorns.
30 October 2009 17:42Whether it's her or not, something's definitely a-brewing in the world of makeup.
Maybe it's a new kind of natural phenomenon?
Ah come one now. This is so obviously fake. It's just going to encourage the whole thread to be closed down.
30 October 2009 18:34Aha, you never fail to make me rofl, Saila. It just kinda made me think of Thunder Cats.
30 October 2009 18:45Something is brewing, something mutinous ;x
This girl has some serious balls. I honestly can't find words for all this.
30 October 2009 18:47Yeah, it could be, Emeralds. What do you mean by closing the thread down? It's an article, I suppose they could disable commenting entirely.
30 October 2009 18:47People are still going to talk about it, though.
I've thought about this a lot while I was out this morning. I was supposed to be getting a check up and having a quick meeting with my editor, but this was on my mind.
30 October 2009 18:52You all know I'm an educated grown and responsible woman who in REAL LIFE, not just on the intrawebs, is successful and happy. I'm well known in my field and generally respected in the So Cal community, so I'm not jealous of someone I honestly thing may have serious issues.
That being said, oh HELL yes, I think it was her. It was her thinking enough of her idiot followers would whine OMGITSSONOTHERITSFAKETHATSMEAN that she knew she could say what she wanted and get away with it.
From what we know of her in the past, it's sounds just like her tone, it's just her style, and she's far too much of an egomaniac NOT to have already posted to that article at least half a dozen times as at least half a dozen people. The thrill of her using her real (ha!) name ALONE was probably enough to get her to do it, knowing she would just say it was fake later and have her minions believe her.
There, I'm done. Back to writing this review.
Oh and congratulations! When you type "Lime Crime" into google, the first thing that comes up is "Lime Crime Ripoff."
30 October 2009 18:58Hey Anasasia, yes, that's what I meant. She's notorious for having threads disabled and articles removed. If she can prove that someone is trying to slander her name, legally, they may have to remove the article.
30 October 2009 19:14I really don't think she wrote that. She knows better than to use her real name, which is why she's been using a false name to write under. And somebody made an excellent point with the pricing being wrong. That right there is a dead giveaway to me.
That really does sound like her, doesn't it? I don't think it is her (she'd never make her shop friends-only and pass up the chance to make MONIEZ!) but the tone is spot-on!
30 October 2009 19:20I like what happens when you type "lime crime" into Google now: http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx278/mittensmittensmittens/slimecrime.jpg
Excuse me for being a rank noob, but what does tl;dr mean? I've seen it on a gaming forum, but never got an explanation of its meaning.
30 October 2009 22:51it means "too long/didn't read"
30 October 2009 23:09Just thought of something... the person who answered on that artist's blog can only be Doe...
31 October 2009 00:02Who else would know I even posted there?
The guy probably e-mailed her, showed the comment and she pretended to be a die-hard fan....
But there's a missing piece here: how could a die-hard fan FIND the blog and the comment? It did not comment on the drawing but only answered my comment....
On the article comment thing... I thought of something but it sounded so conspiratorial!
Doe might have posted so she could say someone posted a comment pretending to be her, so she could block the comments/delete/etc...
But... as I said... I think it sounds a little bit over the top! XDDD
I believe it was someone who wanted to help but did it in a very messy way.... ó.o'
"If you're too poor to buy my products, then go elsewhere and spend less and get a low quality product. You don't deserve to use Limecrime"
31 October 2009 00:31So let me get this straight. Not only does she think her consumers are idiots, but poor people don't deserve her products? Wow, what a compassionate people person this one is. The sad thing is even if this isn't her workings, people just like this exist everywhere.
Hey, I know we already know about Siren, but when I was spreading the word I came across this link:
31 October 2009 00:46http://kyokyono.blogspot.com/2009/05/whew-curls.html
another possible proof that Lime Crime is a repackaging company.
(by the way, she did a really cute curly hair! I have curly hair and I want to try it out someday XD)
hahaha I love how "Goat Geere" calls Xenia 'Xenis.'
31 October 2009 08:50So awesome.
I emailed Xenis asking for my money back on that twilight shadow I bought...we'll see if she even responds!!!
31 October 2009 08:51LOL nice customer support...
31 October 2009 11:28Also, SHE SAID THUNDERCUNT LOLOLOLOL!
Somehow screening comments = having a life?
1 November 2009 06:32Screening as many comments as she gets on some of her posts would be very time consuming, far more time consuming than allowing posters to say whatever it is they please, even if it isn't in support of her or her products.
Disclaimer: If I ever ran into Doe/Xenia in person, I'd probably spit on her. I'm disgusted by her behavior as a small business owner, lack of ethics, anti-science marketing, etc. But I'm very fond of the truth and accuracy.
2 November 2009 07:55I wanted to run Venison's account of lab work by someone who actually knows the cosmetic science industry, so I turned to The Beauty Brains (thebeautybrains.com... if you don't already read, start!) After all, just because me and my university lab worker friends couldn't identify the machines in the silly photo doesn't automatically mean they're fake; none of us are cosmetic chemists. Here's the response I got from Left Brain:
"Hello Curses - The machines behind her in the photos are a mixer (looks like a Lightnin' brand mixer) and a viscometer.
Her story sounds about right from a process standpoint. Colors are usually chosen by Marketing people and they are given to cosmetic chemists to match. Her story is a bit naive however. Every manner of color has been made and there is nothing unique about what she is doing. The reason you don't see funky colors for sale is because people don't buy them in high enough volumes for companies to make them.
It is not the lack of creativity of cosmetic chemists, it's the lack of influence they have on what products get launched. Chemists make the formulas that Marketing people want to launch. The industry is really driven by Marketing departments. Those departments are driven by consumer research.
Hope that makes sense.
Incidentally, she should really be wearing safety glasses in the lab."
I also did some research on the private labeling process. In a nutshell, she's doing absolutely nothing remarkable. That in itself doesn't bother me, it's the constant claims of innovation that border on false advertising. If I want to be a fashion designer, I don't buy another designer's products, slap new embellishments on, and call it my own. If I know how to use a mass spec, I don't claim I invented it. Actually, I think if someone in the US put together enough documentation, you could probably report her to the Better Business Bureau... probably not the FTC, though, since they're still a bit behind on internet regulations.
I have to wonder what she does on Halloween, with thousands of people all around wearing make-up shades she claims to have invented. Does she honestly think they all purchased from Lime Crime? Or does she just look for new products to rip off?
Like the "how i make lipsticks" post didn't insult our intelligence enough, Xenia has now posted a "how i make eyeshadows" entry in her blog. It basically shows her trying to dupe a TKB color pretending she made it herself. But it's obvious she didn't create it because she has no recipe for it and it takes her several tries to get the color to match. Will this bitch ever just give it up?!
4 November 2009 19:32purplecutie, she doesn't even let you comment on the video!
4 November 2009 22:37Obviously she's nervous.
When you mentioned the 'squadron of unicorns', I couldn't help but think of my old Sweet Valley Twins books --- Does anyone else here remember Lila and Jessica being members of the Unicorn Club and the entire club being obsessed with everything and anything coloured purple?
5 November 2009 00:37Ahhh, good memories, good memories ... Still can't believe everyone was supposed to be twelve years old, though. They acted more like nineteen year olds would, in my opinion. o_O;
i'm just wondering why the "twilight" in the video looks nothing like the swatch on the website?? It's a dark dark blue =\ either those photos are misleading or she's just trying really hard to counter this.
5 November 2009 01:21have you gals seen this?
5 November 2009 02:09http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiF1--8YwVM&feature=channel
but like i said before, i don't care if her makeup is made from unicorn blood, or if she is riping people off, she has done to many dishonset this in the past for me to give her my money. Mostly from Lillian's story.
I just re-swatched my "blue-red chrome mica" from coastal scents, and my "twilight" eyeshadow. Their is NO DIFFERENCE!!! Not even a slight variation. I have the proof swatched on my arm that .she. is. lying!!!!
5 November 2009 02:39I love how she chose Siren, of all colors, as proof. It was the ONE on my list I knew was wrong and personally bought samples to match.
5 November 2009 03:34I have SINCE corrected the list with the right color. So technically the dupe she was trying to 'dupe' us with was wrong.
But again, right now I have PROOF in my hand PERSONALLY that Siren and Hot Moma are the exact same thing.
Grey, I noticed the same thing and laughed. The LC vs. TKB comparison list was admittedly not 100% accurate and was a work in progress. I like how Xenia chose those very few colors on the list that weren't swatched and confirmed yet, and used them as proof that the list was wrong. How does she exlain the other 99% being exact matches? God her video is such a joke!
5 November 2009 03:53Also, if you look, anyone can see how she swatched them differently. Her colors were swatched normally, with several layers (probably over a base), while the "fake dupe" (and ahem, fake dupes my ass) was lightly dusted on in a single layer. Because that REALLY makes you look more credible.
5 November 2009 08:48(Also, hi! Been reading your blog for awhile, but Xenia's latest video pushed me to the tipping point. I was simultaneous laughing and raging, especially at the comments of her loyal faaaaaaaans).
Ah the 'so poor sad thing story', that made me nervous. I mean, it was so obviously bad played.
5 November 2009 10:37And the mixing process, it looks exactly the same shit as does the TKB trading 'mix your own mica' video do!
Damn, LC is turning into one big joke.
Hey Ana, if you want to revise the TKB/LC list, Gothique has found that "Siren" is actually TKB's "Hot Mama." And Ashley found that "Twilight" is Coastal Scent's "blue-red chrome mica". Just thought you might want to update to make the list more accurate since Xenia is using the few errors on this list to try to prove us wrong! I am dying to know what you think of her new video calling us out as liars, lol.
5 November 2009 18:47someone mentioned the "miss.x" eyeshadow line in comments in the blog entry below this one, so i looked at the site and it looks like repackaging tkb and jacking up the price is pretty commonplace.
5 November 2009 18:48teeny tiny square jars the same size as a mac sample = check
price range $12 and above for teeny tiny jar = check
easily dupable colors = check
the cobra killer shade on the site looks an awful lot like lc dragon scales (based on the generic looking swatch photo).
i wonder what kalia westerman from tkb would think about all of this. has anyone tried contacting her and seeing what she thinks about all the people that are taking credit for her hard work?
I thought that comment was satire.
6 November 2009 09:58I really can't imagine you believe that she actually wrote this.
6 November 2009 17:37If you do believe it, I worry about your own sanity and the lack of a filter between what you wish was true to support your argument, and your inability to admit you are wrong.
You really are bordering on libel here.
I kind of agree, I think that comment looks like it was written by someone else. I'm not even sure I believe that repackaging business.
6 November 2009 21:12The dress story broke my heart though.
Okay...so I've been trying to stay out of this whole Lime Crime scandal, but after I just watched Xenia's "How I Make Eyeshadow" video on YouTube, I just had to break my silence.
15 November 2009 14:21WOW.
First of all, I have a very small indie cosmetics shop on Etsy, and if you want ANY type of consistency, this is NOT how you mix a color. I keep a binder (and electronic copy, of course) of all my recipes, and when I measure it out, I make sure to level off each scoop for accuracy. If you're using any type of oxides, you almost HAVE to put them in an automated mixer or grinder (or do the tedious work of mortar and pestle, which can actually break down the sparkle factor in many colors)...mixing by hand (especially in a plastic baggie...seriously?) usually doesn't blend enough (unless you are using mortar and pestle), and you get a very streaky application. Trust me, I tried this as a newbie...and it was a total FAIL.
Oh, and scooping some out mid-process can totally jack up the overall composition of the finished product...maybe not so much on large batches, but in a teensy weensy baggie? She scooped out about a fifth of what she put in there! In that small of an amount (using only 0.15cc scoops to crudely measure tiny amounts of mica, oxide, etc.), that's enough to change the end result and throw the formula completely off.
I tend to have a lot of faith in people, and I really love to see my fellow artisans and friends in the MMU industry rise and succeed... But I think it's pretty safe to say that anyone mass-producing colors like this would not be able to keep up with the amount of customers that LC has generated, and they would likely end up with some very pissed off repeat customers due to inconsistency of the shade.
Granted, Xenia did say that it goes to a "lab"...but isn't that contradicting her claim that she makes them all herself? Just saying.
Has the LC website gone? x
17 November 2009 22:40Eeek ignore me. Someone told me it was gone earlier but it just loaded lol. x
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i am just as against her repackaging, and straight dupe-colors, but... would the company owner/founder REALLY be stupid enough to misspell her own companies NAME in a venomous rant? it isn't Limecrime, it's Lime Crime.
8 June 2012 01:03preeetty sure this is someone trying to appear as Doe.
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