It's the usual positive spiel about individuality and boldness and bright, pigmented make-up which Doe Deere is personally involved in creating. If you've read anything I've written about Lime Crime before, you'll know all this to be utter bollocks.
Lime Crime appear to me to be selling repackaged mica from TKB Trading (or a similar wholesaler), and when asked about it had the gall to allegedly suggest that the wholesale company had "similar" looking products because it copied them. Oh, and that I should buy a lipstick. In case you're wondering, TKB Trading has been around since 1994. Lime Crime's make-up since 2008. Maybe they also took her time-machine.
By similar, I mean - well, here's that picture again of swatches of Lime Crime eyeshadows versus the eyeshadows of an entirely unrelated make-up company, Beauty From The Earth, who get their ingredients from TKB Trading (and have the decency to admit that they sell some repackaged products, but have mixed over 175 of their own).

So Beauty from the Earth, who say yes, some of their colours are repackaged from TKB Trading (specifically Peacock and Green Apple, here), apparently just copied Lime Crime. Just like TKB did. Or so Lime Crime suggest.
Here's a list of supposed Lime Crime/TKB dupes:
Elf = Green Apple Pop
Fairy Wings = Hilite Violet
Dutchess = Indian Blue
Circus Girl = Lemon Drop Pop
Cleopatra = Tangerine Pop
I estimate that Empress would be strikingly close to Grape Pop, Enchant looks like Blackstar Green and Medusa Blackstar Blue, but I haven't tested those out personally (and I'm sure as hell not buying any more Lime Crime), so can't say for sure. Thanks to Jessica for some of the comparisons.
In response to this article, a lot of people - including yours truly - commented to inform people that actually, the stuff they sell looks remarkably like repackaged mica from the wholesaler, including identical ingredients lists. After these comments, Doe deleted the links to the article and instead linked to a screenshot of the article, which didn't show the comments, probably to prevent people from reading them.
Apparently this wasn't enough, as now all the comments have been deleted. As if ripping their customers off isn't enough, I think Lime Crime want to censor us as well. Here, another interviewer of her comments that she was asked by Xenia to remove the negative comments readers had posted.
I say, nuts to that. I wasted $40 there buying a product I seem to already fucking have from somewhere else. I believe I was lied to, that I was led to believe that I was buying something more than what I was given, and the website itself said that Doe makes the eyeshadows herself (interestingly, that section has since been rewritten and changed) - I find that hard to believe, give that to my eye they appear fucking identical to TKB Trading's colours (and they even have exactly the same ingredients), and I really doubt a wholesaler who've been in business for 14 years longer than Lime Crime copied her colours and then charged 4000% less per ounce for them to mineral make-up companies than Lime Crime do. Oh, they also sell jars which look just like the ones she uses. Coincidence?
Although the comments have been removed, someone archived some of them, and you can still view them here: [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link]
Shady or what?
EDIT: After reading about Lillian's experience with Xenia/Doe Deere, I'm even more convinced in my opinion that this company doesn't give a crap about ripping customers off, and is content to peddle snakejuice as long as they turn a profit.



117 comments:
I totally snot Limeade outta my nose when I read NUTS TO THAT.
8 October 2009 04:43Thankfully 'someone' with an iPhone had the forethought to snapshot those comments.
Hah, yes, some mysterious 'someone'...
8 October 2009 04:48Sorry for the fizzy pop mishap, I hate it when someone makes me laugh when I'm drinking and I snort Pepsi Max out my nose, it feels horrible.
I was rather appalled when I noticed the comments were gone. I can understand her defending her business, and linking a screenshot from her sites...after all, this is her bread and butter, no matter how shady it is. What I am not cool with, is her deleting comments. I posted a comment in her defence, and it still went missing.
8 October 2009 06:47I don't buy limecrime, it is in fact, a total ripoff. The thing is, most consumers don't research the products they are buying, and thus buy into her image. I do admire her positive attitude, but not so keen on this whole comment deleting extravaganza...but what can ya do? *le sigh*
Combating Lime Crime's PR is pretty tricky business for even savvy consumers though, Ash.
8 October 2009 06:52I asked around and people seemed to like Lime Crime, I googled them (google "Lime Crime") and saw nothing but positives. Now google "Lime Crime repackages" and you find every bad review, none of which make it to the first couple of pages without that last keyword.
I agree, I understand her not flaunting her bad reviews and comments, but having them removed on a third party site is disgusting. I hope enough people will repeat this message so other people don't end up wasting their money - if you want to succeed in business, you either need to do the same thing cheaper than anyone else or do something different. Lime Crime does neither, and deserves to fail.
I've been onto limecrime's repackaging scheme from the very beginning...except I though she was getting her product from Coastal Scents. It was just the other day that I though "I'm going to google 'limecrime ripoff' and see what comes up." I was amazed at all the negative reviews, since all I have ever seen is positive reviews raving about how original her product is.
8 October 2009 07:03Funny how right after reading all those bad reviews (and discovering some truly amazing, talented mineral makeup companies like aromaleigh and archetype cosmetics in the process), Xenia posts the article and removes the negative comments. I wish she had left them up, I mean, its not like the page was easy to find after she got rid of the links to it. She really shouldn't have done that...thats the reason why Gala Darling has lost so much respect recently...deleting comments is a big no-no in the blogging world.
ps-I like your blog, its a breath of fresh air amoungst all the 'unicorn glitter fluff' I've seen so much of. Nice to see a bit of realism.
Oh-would you look at that, comment deleting has come-again! Fabulous!
8 October 2009 08:13TKB recently released some shades named after the zodiac (ie. Libra Blue), which seem eerily similar to shades recently released by three of my favorite MMU companies. I've ordered samples of all the colors, just to see for myself if they are the same. I don't mind paying the higher prices from a company versus TKB, but I expect to get something unique, something the creator worked hard for. Not something I can get much cheaper elsewhere.
8 October 2009 08:22I'm glad you have the (NUTS) decency to warn people about the truth, so others don't get ripped off.
ANA you have started a revolution!!!!! LOL. I'm over here cracking up wondering If I'd only known of what I was doing...I feel like I'm putting this girl out of business. :-)
8 October 2009 09:28On a serious note....How can you pay $12 for online mineral eyeshadow (of which she only had like what 12 actual shades the last time I went on which was like 8 months ago) when there are so many other companies who sell them for $6 or less and have a crap load of colors to choose from and lets you order samples? I mean the $12 is what kept me away. Heck I still haven't bought a MAC pigment b/c that $19.50 just doesn't feel right (though I've recently discovered the joys of MAC samples - yippie)
Any who, a wise old man once said "a fool and her money will soon part"
Glad to see you back in the saddle. I mean you're gone for two weeks and come back out swinging....LOL that's why I love ya boo bear. :O)
first of all can i just say I Love You! lol in the nicest way possible...i wish i had seen all your article about lime crime 4 months ago when i first bought 2 of their shadows. they are complete crap and the way Doe Deere (who the fuck calls themselves a deere?!?!) advertises herself as some big fashionista who knows what we should all be inspired by is just ridiculous!
8 October 2009 10:00i love ur articles and please keep them up!
x
I'm glad you posted this. I'd gone to the article via the link on the blogazine and read the comments. When I wanted to go back to the webpage a couple of hours later, it was a screenshot and I (naturally) thought I had early dementia.
8 October 2009 10:47Now that I have refound my trust in my mental capabilities I just wanted to say that your article has been an eye-opener to say the least! I also love your writing style. So you've got yourself a new follower.
The more I dig around regarding Lime Crime, the more I'm forced to conclude that they're just scamming to get as much money with as little real product development as possible. All of their efforts as a business seem to go into marketing and promotion, which is important, but not as important as delivering a good product.
8 October 2009 12:19Doe is probably more concerned about her photoshoots for the lipsticks than the products themselves, when she put up swatches she had just two pictures of her lips photoshopped into all 10 colours of the lipsticks. How is that giving her customers a true representation of what they actually look like? She seems to wear her lipsticks on a daily basis, surely some real swatches are not too much to ask.
It's a shame, because I love reading her blog, I think the photoshoots/tutorials are stellar, and she has the customer base already, she could have done something really great with her line. However, everything seems to be rushed and lazy, apart from those all important photoshoots and marketing ploys. It just seems like a way to promote herself and make as much quick easy money as she can. She could fix this big mess now her brand is established, but she doesn't seem to want to do anything other than hush up the people who got ripped off.
I only wish I would have found your blog before I spent my money on LC. It almost made me sick that I bought their products. But now I know better and knowing is half the battle. :-)
8 October 2009 15:40Thanks so much for this info Ana! I was recently contacted by Lime Crime's PR person but have decided not to plug the brand on ABS because I remembered reading your bit on them from some time back. Really don't appreciate brands that aren't completely honest with their customers!
8 October 2009 16:40Thank you, Ash! Personally, I will only delete comments which are trolling or insulting my readers.
8 October 2009 17:27If someone has a legitimate point to make, even if it's negative, about my blog I'm happy to listen to talk it out, but I'm not going to leave vulgar trash lying around for people to be exposed to. Comment moderation is off again, here, which is how I like to keep it!
The best part about running my blog, honestly, is that all my readers (seriously, ALL of them!) seem to be smart people with their own opinions, instead of the "lol omg so prettyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!111oneone" crowd.
Oak, what makes it worse is that she got them deleted on a thirdparty website - supposedly one connected to a newspaper!
8 October 2009 17:27Oooh, I hope you'll photograph them and post them somewhere Squid so I can link to that. I'd be great to make a big list of dupes.
8 October 2009 17:29I have a bunch of new TKB samples myself to try out and swatch, and hopefully will find some more matches.
Well, thank you Lou! I only looked into all of this when I bought three LC shades, was incredibly excited about them, and opened them only to find... oh, I had exactly the same thing already.
8 October 2009 17:34As I'm in advertising, a company using their PR hammer this way really annoys me. But if I get new, intelligent readers in the process, that's just gravy :]
Hey Tala! Indeed, I am back. Nothing like LC's scummy dealings to make me come out of hiding.
8 October 2009 17:37I brought alllll my TKB samples with me so I'm looking forward to a huge swatch-a-thon and finding more dupes. Since she's added new eye dusts, I've seen even more similarities, they're just the same damn colours everyone else has. Grr.
Don't feel bad, people deserve to know the truth!
Wow, thank you Angie! (That's some awesome hair in your avatar)
8 October 2009 17:40I did exactly the same thing. I bought into all the hype and the company image and the whole idea of Doe designing everything and it being special, and ended up with three little pots of cheap junk in shades identical to ones I already had.
Then I googled "Lime crime repackage" and saw everything the company have hidden on the first few google pages, all the negative reviews which I WISH I'd read before I wasted $40 on their crap. I hope other people will read this kind of thing and save their money!
I agree entirely, Ruby. Since I'm in advertising I appreciate a good campaign and they certainly have the brand image and the company patter down - and that's all they have.
8 October 2009 17:48They're selling the same thing someone else does for more money, and the only way you can do that is to convince customers you're not doing it with marketing.
I didn't know about the lip swatches, but I've long suspected something's up with their swatches - even the eye products don't look like that in reality. I'd love to see one of the lipsticks to find out if they're just repackaged, or if the swatches are even remotely close.
Dissolved, I wish I'd read something somewhere, too, before I did the exact same thing! Now I hope people WILL see this before they buy.
8 October 2009 17:49No problemo, Jennywren. That's interesting, they're trying to combat the bad image, obviously.
8 October 2009 17:50I wouldn't want to associate with them - their name is fast becoming synonymous with dishonest trading.
Hi, Ana, I just want to say I just found your blog, and I am SOOOO glad I did. I felt so cheated when I found out the truth about lime crime, and I didn't even buy anything from her yet. I kinda want to try the lipsticks, but I just can't thrust them.
8 October 2009 18:39You don't happen to know where I can get light blue
however, one good thing has come out of all this. :) I have spent hours looking at the TKB website. I am a teenager so I don't have much money,so this is just perfect. I am so excited to order from them.
So thank you for everything.
A fellow nerd,
Zoe
Hi Zoe!
8 October 2009 18:50I'm glad you found out before ordering! Definitely save your money. I highly recommend TKB, you have to put a minimum order in of like $20, but you can get an awful lot for that so it's nice if you can splurge a little to get a whole bunch of samples. You'll be pleased with how HUGE their samples are!
If you can wait a little while, I have a whole ton of TKB samples sent to me by a very good friend which I'll be swatching for you guys soon, which might help you decide what to pick :]
I, too, really want to find out what's going on with the LC lipsticks. I was originally offered one for free but I doubt they'll honour that. I'm considering buying one so I can assess it and blog about it, but I just don't want to give them any more of my money.
I meant to ask if you know where I could get lightblue lipstick, but I forgot to finish my sentence. Sorry :)
8 October 2009 18:55Zoe
Oh, you did! And I looked up the answer and then forgot about it.
8 October 2009 18:57I don't - but Phyrra does, and she recommended some to someone else here. I quote:
"I wanted to pipe in that Morgana Minerals has 2 amazing shades of Turquoise lipstick: Ice Queen and Turquoise. Ice Queen might be a shade close to what you're looking for."
I'd check them out, if that's not what you're after hop on over to Phyrra's blog (Fresco Phyrra in my sidebar) and ask her - she's the mineral make-up queen, I bet she'll know!
Thanks, I'll do that.
8 October 2009 19:31I don't even know why I want blue lipstick, but sometimes I just see something and go OMFGWANT!WANTSNOW!
you know? Last month it was gogo boots.
And yes, I think I will wait for you to review TKB. Plus I won't have money for it for a couple weeks. all my money is currently going to my Halloween costume.
And I just want to say I feel so blessed lately, I have come across so many helpful people online and off it.
Zoe
I see it on other people and think I want it, but it'd probably look bad on me. I love the way the LC lipsticks look but since finding out that all the lip pictures are just photoshopped (the colour was 'shopped on) and that they're not real swatches, I'm very suspicious.
8 October 2009 19:37You might be able to match the colour with photoshop but that doesn't guarantee how it really looks, how smooth and thick it is, etc.
I've been feeling blessed lately, too, what with all the help I got with moving, and all these new blog readers :]
I know for a fact that the blue-red chrome mica http://www.coastalscents.com/cfwebstore/index.cfm/product/425_35/blue---red-chrome-mica.cfm
8 October 2009 19:44on coastal scents is EXACTLY the same shade of Twilight on Limecrime http://www.limecrimemakeup.com/twilight-magic-dust-p-224.html
I know this because I bought twilight, thinking that it was such a unique colour, and then ordered the blue chrome mica because I thought that was pretty as well. The swatches look different on the websites, but they are completely IDENTICAL in read life. I was kinda choked that I spent $1.00 on a CS sample which has MORE than the $12 limecrime package.
Like I said before, I like her attitude, I think she is really inspiring in regards to her tutorials and articles...I just wish that she could at least mix some of her own shades!
They do look different on there! Maybe she uses both wholesalers?
8 October 2009 19:55I should check out the CS shades, too. I felt the same way when my LC stuff arrived though.
Although I don't think her blog is particularly inspirational - since I think her persona is so fabricated - I do have respect for the tutorials etc she generates.
I totally agree with you Ash. She has set up a great blog. Her tutorials are great and pretty helpful. Her articles are interesting. And I love the candy future thing, since retro futurism is an interest of mine.
8 October 2009 19:59A small part of me wants her to continue.
But a much larger part of me wants to see her whole corner of the web crash and burn.
Also it's worth noting. When Doe posted the examiner article and then later just put up the screen shot, someone commented on her blog that that was a dishonest thing to do. that comment was deleted.
Also a few weeks back on her blog, in the comments someone posted a link to your 'So ordinary it should be illegal' post. Doe did not respond.
zoe
I've commented before - I think probably in the original post - that I do admire their brand image, and that they deserve some credit for the amount of material they've created, inspirational looks, tutorials etc, even if they only do it to further their business.
8 October 2009 20:05It's a real shame that the products simply don't live up to the branding. It could be a really great company, something I'd want to be personally involved in and support, if it did. But all they're doing is putting a huge amount of effort into making people think what they're selling is good - instead of putting effort into making what they're selling good.
If people know it's repackaged and want to buy it, fine. Plenty of companies sell repackaged lines AS WELL as their own stuff, but we didn't know. We were duped by the branding, the marketing, and the hype, and that's exactly what is supposed to happen.
Hopefully if enough of us spread the word they'll be forced to own up and start behaving ethically.
Don't worry Ana, I'm sure with enough of us we can be a mineral make up army! Stopping repacked injustice and help bring honest high quality make up to all!
8 October 2009 20:13Really though, I think Doe is losing some of her fan base, or at least knows it's coming. her eye shadows have a lot more quantity than they did. Lime Crime is slowly but surely falling out of grace.
Zoe
Yup, seems like it's getting that way. The more people who link to any negative review about Lime crime (not necessarily mine) using the word "Lime crime", the higher those results will be when someone googles "Lime Crime".
8 October 2009 20:16I hope that LC will start to focus on their products and turning over a new leaf to rescue their brand, instead of putting more effort into harsher PR, but it seems unlikely.
Hi Anastasia,
8 October 2009 23:31I'm new to beauty blogging and stumbled on your blog a while back and just wanted to say i love it.
I've known good old Limey for a long time, and i'm afraid these sort of tricks are nothing new. When she used to be a fashion designer she would patrol livejournal and try and get anyone who wrote about her negatively banned from the site. She would also make up fake journals so she could post things about how great she was and it was pretty much proved that she faked an auction for charity. Also, of you'd like to read a post of mine ( http://lillianfunnyface.blogspot.com/2009/10/lime-crime-makeup-dilemma.html ) you'll see that she doesn't have the best record of customer service.
I can't believe her pr tried to fob you off that TKB were trying to copy her, that's just ludicrous.
Also did you know that back when she first launched she sent a load of freebies to makeup gurus to test. Usually there's nothing wrong with this, except her freebies were about twice the size of what she actually sold, so lots of people watched videos and bought the product only to be shocked by how little they got.
I'm dismayed because i really really love the look of her lipsticks (though they do appear heavilly photoshopped). I really do not want to give her money, but it does look as if those lippies are not just repackaged.
Thank you, Lillian! And thanks for sharing that post - Xenia's attitude is disgusting. For all the online sparkly persona, it seems like she really doesn't give a shit if she rips people off.
8 October 2009 23:42They've changed the wording on their website, now, otherwise I would've reported them to the BBB for claiming to create the products when they don't. Now it's all about the lipsticks, they're really trying to push them. I, too, am in a dilemma about whether to get one or not - but it's mostly to see if they stand up to the photoshopped swatches, hype, and whether they actually make them themselves or not! Still, I just really don't want to give them my business.
You certainly can't criticise her marketing savvy, although it's becoming more and more evident to people that her company image is a total sham. I know she recently upped the quantity of the products she's selling - maybe they should catch on that we want quality, not quantity, and they should try actually doing some fucking work themselves?
Hi! I found this blog after searching around for the "true" face of Lime Crime and thought to thank you for your honesty.
9 October 2009 05:15I'll admit, I'm very new to the whole world of makeup. I've only recently begun to look into mineral makeup and the "better" brands. (For many years I bought the stuff from stores like Icing, haha.)
When I randomly ran across Lime Crime, I splurged and bought several shades, very excited about getting bright, colorful shadows I'd never seen before. I got the product, a little smaller than I'd expected for the price, but still happy with what I got since it WAS better than any I had bought before.
Unlike your issue of buying what you already had, my issue came later when I began seeing her shady way of doing things. When she took down the link to the review of her makeup since all the comments revealed her trickery, I posted a comment asking why she'd done it. It was removed within an hour. Another person commented, voicing her disapproval of such censorship on both the blog and the website, and hers was also removed.
I think she could be an inspirational woman, if she would stop acting like a child. I have huge moral problems with people who lie, especially when confronted to tell the truth. Her actions have ensured that I will never waste my money on her "Magic Dusts" again. I have hope for her lipsticks and mentions of colored mascara, but I'm not holding my breath.
But back to the point: Thank you for pointing this out to the public. I placed an order with TKB this morning for the shades I had wanted to buy from Lime Crime... and saved about $30.
She is even worse than I thought! Deleting comments on someone else's site is disgusting and pathetic. Like ripping people off wasn't enough aready!
9 October 2009 17:31It's a shame cos I used to enjoy her blog and found her tutorials inspirational. She could have created an amazing company if she had concentrated on making good products, instead all she wants is making quick money by scamming people. And shut up those that complain.
I'm glad you posted all this info about Lime Crime, thanks. I haven't bought anything from them yet because the prices were putting me off but I know I would have given in sooner or later because I was believing all the hype too. I'm glad I didn't now.
At this point, I'm not even interested to know if her lipsticks are reackaged as well or not. I just hope she goes out of business soon or at least stops being so dishonest.
So glad I found your blog and this post! These repackers frustrate me to no end. Some go as far as to use the same names and pictures from their suppliers (Check out etsy sometime). Usually you see repackers sell their stuff really cheap though, not insanely high prices like Lime Crime! If you ever see a "rainbow" or "pop" set that people feature with two shades of pink, a green, blue, orange, yellow, and purple, those are also repackaged. Save yourself the cash and purchase the Pops! Set from tkb trading. You get a tablespoon of each color for 9 frickin dollars! Now some of the people who sell those sets also sell their own colors like BFTE and Heavenly Naturals. The people who just try to push all their inventory of nothing but repackaged mica as their own are just outright lying to their customers. By the way, you can report them on etsy!
9 October 2009 23:42Neoscottie - I think a lot of people have come to this realisation the same way you have. Their eyeshadows are good quality, just nothing special, since the original stuff from TKB is good quality!
10 October 2009 14:15It's such a shame that they're driving their business name down into the ground by all the trickery instead of just admitting it and moving on. Plenty of MMU companies I really respect like BFTE and Aromaleigh have repackaged colours in addition to their much, MUCH larger array of mixed products. I can see why - there's no point in changing a colour for the sake of it, and if you're placing an order with one company you might want to just get a sample or something there instead of doing it somewhere else.
But LC's stock is nothing but repackaged, except the lipsticks (possibly!) and I'm dying to know if they are or not x.x
I'm excited for your TKB order! You might find that TKB micas look more lumpy in the packet - the texture reminds me of the MAC shimmery pigments, but they go on smooth and the samples are HUGE! If you haven't applied eyeshadow wet before you should definitely try that, too. Maybe I'll do a post about working with loose mica eyeshadows for people who're unfamiliar with them? If you were impressed with Lime Crime I think you'll really like TKB.
I'm sorry you had such a bad time with Doe deleting your comments, too, especially when you didn't even know how shady it all was. That'll definitely never happen here ^^;
I'm glad you didn't, too, Gio!
10 October 2009 14:18I'm still curious about the lipsticks, it seems like they're really pushing them to try and make the business go in that direction, but it doesn't say implicitly anywhere that she made them herself and after all this - the bad customer service, censorship, etc etc, I just don't believe she's capable of providing a good, original product to anyone.
It seems like posts like mine have, at least, stopped a few people from wasting their money, so I'm glad about that. If people want to order from her AFTER they know it's repackaged, go ahead, as long as they're not duped like I was =[
Tell me about it, Lissy. I've heard that Calypso Minerals on Etsy is a repackager, although I've never tried her because her customer service is absolutely terrible and you'll pretty much never, ever get what you paid for.
10 October 2009 14:20I agree the TKB Pops set is great, especially for anyone after the bright rainbow type colours. I wish I'd bought it, but I bought the repackaged ones from other companies before I figured this out, too.
I didn't know you could report Etsy sellers for repackaged goods, though! That's DEFINITELY worth knowing, thanks =D!
The fact that she doesn't even have an ingredient list on her lippes bothers me. I honestly wouldn't trust something so expensive without even knowing what's in it. I'm thinking it's probably private label. She's obviously only looking into making a quick buck, so I doubt she'd spend the money on a mold. Hmm...I'm going to do some digging, and I'll let you know what I find! Oh, and check out TKB Trading's recipe section. Lots of eyeshadows you can make there.
10 October 2009 19:48Looks like LOTS of people are upset over being screwed by her.
10 October 2009 20:42I had someone tell me this story about meeting her and how prissy and nasty she is in person. Wouldn't even talk to her and all she wanted to do was say she was a fan, etc etc. I'm like, a fan of WHAT? LOL Anyway...
Doesn't surprise me.
I think this whole thing is pretty hilarious. Especially since the people that were toting her products were so ecstatic that they were unique and original. Welcome to Capitalism. Buy product for as cheap as possible; mark it up to the max to rip off as many people as possible.
10 October 2009 23:28FWIW...
11 October 2009 15:22There are many companies that sell that mineral stuff in bulk specifically for repacking and private labeling. I worked for a manufacturing company and we would repackage our stuff with their name on it - identical products.
CS sales their stuff wholesale and you can repackage it or whatever, they just make you agree to sell it at the same or HIGHER price than they do. CS gets their palettes from the same source many other people get them.
It is a common practice in this country and if it was stopped, at least half of the companies in the US would probably disappear.
Of course, that's not to say that if everyone were to discover this that they wouldn't be up in arms over every other company that does it. I'm just saying, it doesn't make her evil for doing what has been done for decades.
Personally, I choose not to buy from her b/c I think she is overpriced and I've bought enough smpls from the other little online sites that all the colors seem the same to me.
Eeeenteresting! I posted about this debacle today and linked back to you. I remember this girl way back, and her ultra-professional looking photoshoots. Her cutesyness isn't my taste at all, and as a result I'd be unlikely to buy her pinky-sparkly-marketed products but regardless of that what a dishonest individual!
11 October 2009 15:35BTW read about your woes with housing - totally off topic but if your landlord protected your deposit in one of the government schemes, you should be able to contest her keeping it through their ADR dispute resolution service. If she didn't protect your deposit more fool her because you're entitled to take her to small claims court for three times the deposit amount. www.dwp.gov.uk.
TMiracle -
11 October 2009 17:03I don't think our issue is the actual repackaging, it's that she claims she somehow CREATED all the shadows herself. As in she blended them, came up with a formula (wow, straight mica, so hard) and designed all the colors, when it's more then obvious she did not.
While yes, the repackaging is dishonest in it's self, it's that she goes the one step further and LIES about it.
It's not just the repackaging. What I found most appalling is that she not only took credit for someone else's creation, but that she went so far as to accuse the original creator of copying HER. I figured after this outright lie blew up in her face, she'd realize no one was buying her story and change her tune. But sadly, if you read Purple Koala's blog, Doe still stands by her story that she invented the product and that the supplier (who's been selling these colors for years before LC existed) copied her.
11 October 2009 20:09I just found out the other day about this whole Lime Crime repackaging/lying thing. I am so disappointed to find this all out.
12 October 2009 00:56I found Doe's blog about a year ago and have been a faithful reader the whole time. I loved her persona and her imagination. Everything was so magical I just got caught up in her spell. I'm even a member of her new group Team Candyfuture. I first saw this article a couple of days ago when someone posted a comment on her blog linking to this page and saying how disappointed they were in her. (Of course I went back to that comment a few hours later and it was deleted.) I couldn't believe my eyes....I haven't spent that much money on Lime Crime, but I've definitely spent a lot of time. I'm sure I also would've continued buying products and also promoting it, since that is a big part of being a "Futurette." I just feel like somebody popped the rainbow bubble I was living in.
The good news though, I found this blog and I just bought some micas from TKB. Can't wait to get them. =) I bought more TKB micas in one day than I have bought from lime crime in a whole year because the price is so much better. I can't believe I've been ripped off like that. I thought she cared about her readers more than that.
Girl I posted a link to your article in eyeshadow sluts. I can't thank you enough for sharing with us this amazing source for cheap pigments!
12 October 2009 04:07http://community.livejournal.com/eyeshadowsluts/5619515.html?
I hadn't noticed the lack of ingredients' list, Lissy. That, plus photoshopped swatches makes me suspicious.
12 October 2009 04:30I wish you'd warned me beforehand, Grey! I'm making a mental note to consult you before I buy anything.
12 October 2009 04:37Tmiracle, I agree with what the others have said. It's not so much the repackaging as it is the lies and the amount of PR that goes into making people believe they're buying something they're not, and silencing the opposition.
12 October 2009 04:42Wow, thanks Sarah! The whole deposit was done pretty shadily - she didn't give it to a third party to hold, but kept it herself, and then bought a washing machine with it.
12 October 2009 04:45I really did go in for LC's brand of cutesy, s'just too bad they don't live up to the image they cultivated.
Lauren, I wouldn't say hilarious, given the number of people who've lost cash to them.
12 October 2009 04:46Still, it has somewhat been spiraling like crazy. The number of places links to my posts about it are cropping up is staggering!
This ain't my work but a person on the emilie autumn forum know as AliceBlue, she has came up with a theory on tkb and limecrime.
12 October 2009 11:09LC "Circus Girl" = TKB "Lemon Drop" *
LC "Cleopatra" = TKB "Tangerine Pop"
LC "Crystal Ball" = TKB "Starlight Blue" *
LC "Diva" = TKB "Bronzed Gold" *
LC "Dragon Scales" = TKB "Chameleon Fine"
LC "Duchess" = TKB "Indian Blue"
LC "Elf" = TKB "Apple Green" *
LC "Empress" = TKB "Grape Pop" *
LC "Enchant" = TKB "Blackstar Green"
LC "F.airy Wings" = TKB "Sparkle Violet" *
LC "Lime Criminal" = TKB "Losta Lime" * (Also, incidentally, this is a recipe that was made and is available for free on the site, made by a TKB customer)
LC "Medusa" = TKB "Blackstar Blue"
LC "Mermaid" = TKB "Coral Reef Blue"
LC "Mirror Mirror" = TKB "Antique Silver" *
LC "Nymph" = TKB "Starlight Gold" *
LC "Pink Poodle" = TKB "Cloisonne Red" * (Hilariously, in "view additional images" lies a pink poodle)
LC "Sapphire" = TKB "Sapphire"
LC "Primadonna" = TKB "Raspberry Pop" *
LC "Princess Caraboo" = TKB "Emerald Green"
LC "Shoe Addict" = TKB "Blueberry Pop" *
LC "Siren" = TKB "Crucible Red"
LC "Snow Queen" = TKB "Sparkle Turquoise"
LC "Treasure Chest" = TKB "Crucible Khaki"
LC "Twilight" = TKB "Pearl Violet"
LC "Vixen" = TKB "Maganese Violet"
i hope that helps.
Purplecutie pretty much hit the nail on the head for me, I agree with everything you said. Thanks for the link, too - although some of your readers are somewhat more skeptical!
12 October 2009 15:03This whole issue has gone from just letting my few blog readers know to exploding online, which is pretty disconcerting. The more people who hear the word, and at least doubt Lime Crime's shining reputation, though, the better.
I'm sorry for your disappointment, Renee (and glad to have you!)- I can imagine how it feels to find out a brand, and even a person, isn't what you expected.
12 October 2009 15:10I never got so involved with them, since when my order arrived I knew immediately that it was just a repackaging company, before I got too caught up. I still love the whole brand identity, though. But I don't think there's any reason you can't enjoy their trends, tutorials, etc, and the whole candyfuture theme without buying into the products.
Especially if you can get the same thing elsewhere, and much cheaper than you would've done from LC.
Thanks a ton for the list, Anna, I'll be re-posting that in a main post for people to refer to.
12 October 2009 15:11If only LC did samples I could confirm them all myself, eh?
I posted the dupe list on eyeshadow sluts:
12 October 2009 19:08http://community.livejournal.com/eyeshadowsluts/5621959.html
I don't mind if people are skeptical. I just love to find great deals and share with others! They can take it or leave it. I think it's weird that Lime Crime's fans (Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it was Xenia or Mark posting anonymously. They have been caught setting up fake names to defend themselves before) on the Examiner comments is calling us jealous when we're just trying to help others from being cheated. Let's see: $1.50 vs. $12. You are basically paying $10.50 for the unicorn sticker. Gee I wonder which is the smarter choice. Being smart shoppers makes us sooo jealous, right? What is this garbage now with them saying we're spreading libel? Lol!
Is it a tablespoon size you get for the $1.50 sample at TKB? If so I don't know why I haven't bought from them sooner! And thank you for that list of dupes, I really wanted Twilight, shoe addict and siren and now I know how to get em without going broke first :D
13 October 2009 01:12I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it turns out her new lipstick line is Stargazer lipsticks repackaged:
13 October 2009 03:32http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-104-TORQUOISE-GREEN-BLUE_W0QQitemZ200391720135QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea846fcc7
$2.85!!!!!
The swatches on Stargazer's site aren't very good, but I definitely see some similarities.
http://www.stargazer-products.com/details/?id=4&sub_id=43&product_id=10&style_id=
And here is a perfect match for D'Lilac:
13 October 2009 03:47http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MATTE-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-115-LILAC-PURPLE_W0QQitemZ190339953110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c512531d6
wow those colours are so similar!
13 October 2009 03:59i think im going to get some and try them out...see if they match up to Doe's...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stargazer-Lipstick-Jet-Black-5-2g/dp/B002GT9YDM:
13 October 2009 04:07Great Pink Planet = Baby Pink
Retrofuturist = Neon Red
Styletto = Jet Black
No She Didn't = Turquoise
I'm pretty sure this is Cosmopop:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-123-LIGHT-SHIMMER-PEACH_W0QQitemZ200382479203QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea7b9fb63
There is also a neon orange lipstick from Stargazer (#102) that could possibly be "My Beautiful Rocket" but I can't find a photo of it.
So there's pretty much her whole lipstick line except for the two pinks, which are too difficult to identify because all hot pinks look the same on my monitor.
And take the : off the end of the Amazon link =)
13 October 2009 04:55Thanks for all the info, Purple - and you're right, of course. Die-hard fans will not be convinced, and who cares? It's their money.
13 October 2009 08:17Thanks for the lipstick heads up, too. I know someone who's ordered a couple of the LC ones, so perhaps can get a comparison.
I think so, Ax. I remember reading a teaspoon somewhere, but my samples have been large enough to fill a 10g jar and share around.
13 October 2009 08:20I've seen some criticism about bare mica not adhering properly around, too; I commented on it elsewhere, but I find them just as easy to work with as anything I've bought elsewhere. I usually apply them wet, but they work dry over primer.
Angie, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the comparison after you've tried some. Be sure to let me know!
13 October 2009 08:22Ill be sure to swatch them for you and write a review ^_^
13 October 2009 11:33Has anyone tried the "Miss X" cosmetics line launched around the same time (http://destroyx.com/)? Are they just repackaged too? I know that the eyelashes are the same as Stargazers, Amelia admitted that the factory they used makes them for several companies when asked (Lime Crime should take a leaf outta her book, maybe?), but I want to know if the other products are also available elsewhere.
14 October 2009 19:35Hi,
15 October 2009 21:58The ladies on this post seem to be way too excited about being mean to a chick entrepreneur who's just doing her thing.
We've ALL paid too much for something because of a brand name, every single one of us. Ever bought a t-shirt at a concert? You definitely overpaid, but god forbid the band didn't sit around with ink and screen all the shirts themselves...
This whole argument feels a bit ridiculous as so many others aren't held to the standards you're putting Lime Crime up against. Britney might've sang on her last album, but you better believe that other people wrote the songs, played the instruments and twiddled the knobs to make it sell-able. Are we enraged that she didn't create the whole thing single-handed? Not in the slightest.
Sorry, but I just don't have the time to be messing around with loose mica, but I do appreciate a funky chick showing me some bad-ass colors and don't mind paying for her efforts. I have two LC dusts and like every other eye product I own (MAC included), I use a base for extra oomph and to make it stay put on my crease-prone lids. The result is super vivid so where's the crime in that?
Also, anyone with eyeballs can see the above link to Stargazer's "Cosmopop" is a completely different color - the real one doesn't have shimmer, it's matte. Now you're just speculating...
Please lighten up, in the end it's all about having sparkletastic, awesome, colorful eye looks, not slagging off our sisters in makeup who are busy fighting the real fight - rallying against the beiges and neutral tones of the world.
Thanks,
Luc (not Xenia in disguise, just someone trying to inject a little positivity and reality into all of this)
I don't think the "ladies on this post" are as much "too excited with being mean" as they are concerned with finding out they've been sold a repackaged product and for more than they could have gotten elsewhere.
15 October 2009 22:42Furthermore, others are, in fact, held to not only the same standards, but--to cite your rather obtuse comparison--much higher ones. I challenge you to find less information debasing Britney Spears (or any celebrity) than Lime Crime.
Britney Spears doesn't claim to write her own songs. She openly gives credit where it is due. She also doesn't market herself to be most talented and unique song-writer in the world the way that Xenia claims to have invented the brightest, most unique colors the makeup world has ever seen. Oh and Britney certainly does not accuse her songwriters of copying her.
15 October 2009 23:43Luc, you also seem to imply that we shouldn't diss our "sister" Lime Crime because it goes against the whole girl power mentality. You're right, I totally agree with girl power. Which is why it sucks when one of our "sisters" is ripping us off!
15 October 2009 23:47I just received my TKB micas today and the first thing I did was compare Grape Pop to Empress. And yes I will confirm that they are the exact same color. I can't believe how similar they are. I already had empress, but I love purple so much I wanted to order Grape Pop too, even though I thought that they would probably match. I just had to see it with my own eyes. Anyway, I'm very happy with my TKB order and will for sure order from them again. I really don't care if it doesn't come in a cute container. I buy make-up for the quality and quantity, not the packaging. I still enjoy Doe's tutorials and blog, I'll just get my eye dusts elsewhere.
16 October 2009 01:46Luc,
16 October 2009 02:08Again, it's not that we over paid for anything, it was that Xenia/Doe LIED about 'creating' them. She lied about making them, blending them, inventing them, etc etc.
She claimed to have magically came up with the colors and the formula when she actually bought them from someone else and put them in fancy little jars with her logo.
SHE LIED.
Girl Power my ass, you try to con me, I'm going to be pissed.
Man, really, I'm shocked and pissed but, at the same time, I'm really glad.
16 October 2009 22:42I've been reading doe's blog for a whole year and saving up to buy her cosmetics... and this month I bought it.
The worst is: I've done research! But, like you said, when you type LimeCrime you only find good reviews!
I did believe that Xenia was bringing something new! I've joined team candyfuture, for GOSH SAKE! x.x'
Then, today, I've decided to look for swatches of limecriminal, one of the shades I've bought, and found the swatch comparing with beauty from the earth...
"This can't be right" - I thought.
So... I began to found more and more posts and then... gosh, tell me about disappointment!
I've sent Xenia an e-mail and got an answer that was a little bit cold.... I apologized, 'cause I did not mean to offend and thought "maybe it's just a misunderstanding..."
so... I decided to read everything over and over again.
While I won't take the fake charity serious for I'd like more proof and even if I don't see that much similarity on the lipstick subject, I can't deny the eyeshadow is far too similar...
I wish Xenia had told me why such thing made no sense instead of saying she hoped I'd not believe that. I really do.
Deep in my heart I confess I'm trying to believe it's a misunderstanding... but... I don't know....
I'm really glad I've found this blog. I'll do more research and try to figure out things better...
If she lied about it all, really, I'll be broken hearted. While I was not a fan I thought she was a really sweet girl, I enjoy her make-up tutorials and some of her personal posts. I've seen so many girls that look up to her as an inspiration model and they do not deserve to be fooled! So I hope it's a misunderstanding or something like that!
Out of this subject...I do like your blog. Good place to find about the geek stuff I love and the girly stuff I also like! ^^
Thanks for the eBay links, purplecutie! From this I've made another list.
17 October 2009 19:08Who wants to bet that...
LC "Centrifuchsia" = StarGazer "136"
LC "Cosmopop" = StarGazer "120"
LC "Countessa Fluorescent" = StarGazer "122"
LC "D'Lilac" = StarGazer "115"
LC "Great Pink Planet" = StarGazer "109"
LC "My Beautiful Rocket" = StarGazer "102"
LC "No She Didn't" = StarGazer "103"
LC "Retrofuturist" = StarGazer "127"
LC "Styletto" = StarGazer "110"
"136" url=http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-136-HOT-PINK-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ200382478838QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea7b9f9f6
"120" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-120-PALE-PEACH-PINK-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ190326783480QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c505c3df8
"122" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-122-BRIGHT-PINK-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ200386898781QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea7fd6b5d
"115" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MATTE-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-115-LILAC-PURPLE_W0QQitemZ190339953110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c512531d6
"109" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-109-PALE-PINK-MATTE-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ190342116667QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c5146353b
"102" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-102-BRIGHT-ORANGE-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ190341890948QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c5142c384
"103" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-103-BLUE-COLOUR_W0QQitemZ190313501716QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2c4f919414
"127" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-GREAT-QUALITY-NO-127-RED_W0QQitemZ200382479688QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea7b9fd48
"110" http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MATTE-BLACK-LIPSTICK-BY-STARGAZER-NO-110-GOTH-LOOK_W0QQitemZ200382477089QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Make_Up_Cosmetics_Lipstick_PP?hash=item2ea7b9f321
I do not claim this as fact, I just get bored.
Lea, I'd never heard of Miss X, so unfortunately I'm not sure if they're repackaged or not (try googling for the company name + scam or repackage?) but thank you so much for sharing that link!
17 October 2009 19:26I just saw one of the tutorials and am totally in love. I'm going to try them all ;x
Luc - I delayed replying as my other readers have already said... pretty much everything I would've said. No recording artist would cover a song, claim they wrote it themselves and then accuse the original creator of copying her.
17 October 2009 19:28If you want to buy Lime Crime, that's fine. If everyone in the world wants to buy Lime Crime, fine. Provided they don't buy thinking they're buying something they're not - as so many of us did.
Renee - I guess we can look at this as, "hooray, a really cheap place to get Lime Crime make-up"? I'm really glad you liked your TKB order!
17 October 2009 19:29At least now you've got a ton of the colour you really like, you could even try mixing it with some others :]
I'm sorry you feel so disappointed, Cacau, and I understand why. There's no reason you can't still enjoy her blog posts and her tutorials, and the whole 'candyfuture' feel, and just get your pigments from somewhere else.
17 October 2009 19:43It's always disappointing if someone isn't who they think they are, but at least you know that we're all in the same boat, and that there are other, cheaper ways to get your hands on beautiful bright colours, irrespective of the sticker on the jar.
It's great to have new readers, if you read the comments you'll see a lot of really great girls - and check out the blogs I read in the sidebar, too, they're all fantastic!
Oakendoor, I've got a friend who's bought a bunch of Stargazer lipsticks and also some Lime Crime ones, so we're all eagerly awaiting a comparison.
17 October 2009 19:45I do think the lipsticks look great, honestly, but the fact that the swatches aren't genuine really puts me off. It's not just the colour of a lipstick that's important, but the formula, too!
I'll definitely be linking to whatever results my friend finds (you can find her blog, Gothique, in my sidebar too) so stay tuned ;x
LC "Vixen" = TKB "Maganese Violet"
20 October 2009 06:30The above was listed in a previous post.
I just wanted to clarify that Manganese Violet is a heavy pigment and not a mica. Therefore, it needs to be mixed with other ingredients to apply smoothly and wear well. No one sells just manganese violet as a shadow (unless they don't know what the hell they are doing). If you tried to apply it by itself, you would have a very difficult time blending it.
Melissa,
20 October 2009 20:51I know for a fact that Lime Crime's matte "eyeshadows" (including Vixen/Manganese Violet) are indeed straight unmixed heavy pigments that are NOT intended to be worn as eyeshadow. My friend ordered LC's "Mystic Blue" a long time ago and complained that it was chunky, difficult to blend, and felt like chalk. Lime Crime eventually discontinued all her matte shades I'm assuming because she didn't know how to make them into actual eyeshadows and was only interested in products she could repackage and sell as is. We later ordered the Ultramarine Blue pigment from TKB, which ended up being identical to the Mystic Blue that LC had mistakenly been selling as eyeshadow. It's pretty messed up that Lime Crime doesn't even know anything about the product she's selling so she ends up selling people raw INGREDIENTS, not completed eyeshadows.
LoL! im sorry but thats just so sad; not being able to tell the difference between an ingredaent and a product, seriously
21 October 2009 05:13Her latest tweet: "@RealAudreyKitch 100% with you on that, gotta make all samples yourself. Otherwise there's no innovation!"
21 October 2009 07:49Oh how I laughed!
So where is the proof of who came first?
23 October 2009 05:59This is a standard in the makeup industry, swiping colors and selling it in different packaging. So It really isn't a big deal. The price mark up is because you are buying a brand and an image-- a concept understood in every industry in America.
So This seems quite libelous, and I see no proof to the claims! This is gossip blogging.
I missed her selling pigments, but I remember she used to. The ingredients on her micas are identical to the original TKB ones though, so it wouldn't surprise me if she had just sold them as is without any additions whatsoever.
23 October 2009 10:55Cat - yeah, can't fault her ability to stick to her story, eh?
23 October 2009 10:56Jessica - what do you expect from a blog? I'm not an investigative reporter. I don't even live in the same country as she does. I'm a consumer who bought the products only to discover that they were identical to ones I already had, and then to the original wholesale micas which were available for $4 an ounce instead of the $168 an ounce Lime Crime sell them for.
23 October 2009 11:11So I asked them, and they didn't give me a straight answer. There was no definitive yes or no, just the vague suggestion and implication that they've had their colours ripped off.
I don't know how long Lime Crime has been in business, there's no information on that on the website. Although, I do know that TKB Trading has been around since 1994, and I know that the colours I bought from Lime Crime, which were identical to Beauty From The Earth colours, the owner of BFTE herself said that these colours came from TKB, and that they sold some repackaged colours in addition to making their own.
You don't see anyone here bitching that we just don't want to pay more, or that we never pay more for branded products. The issue is that consumers were lied to - the website used to outright claim that Doe made the products herself - and led to believe they're buying more than they are. All the talk of them being the brightest available (which they are not, as they are the same as the majority of mineral makeup), photoshopped swatches, etc etc.
The other issue, of course, would be their PR implying that the wholesaler copied the colours from them.
Honestly, my goal isn't to convince strangers. It certainly isn't to convince you. It's to stop the people who used to read my blog before this whole thing exploded from wasting cash like I did. Hell, if you know all this and still want to buy from them, go right ahead. As long as you know what you're paying for, you realise you're buying into a brand, then that's fine.
The problem comes when people believe they're paying for something they aren't.
Now I'm potentially kicking myself for having purchased from Lime Crime. I, thankfully, did not buy any of the eyeshadows (instead I spent twenty bucks on what I hope to be marvelous Fyrinnae shadows!) I did, however, buy two of the lipsticks.
26 October 2009 05:00Here's hoping that they aren't an utter rip-off.
Interesting. She has posted swatches of the same lipsticks using a black model now.
26 October 2009 05:09http://www.limecrimemakeup.com/images/noshedidnt4.jpg
Just piping up to say that Examiner.com is NOT a "real" newspaper site; all the articles are submitted by members. While I'm not criticizing that particular format, I don't think they have many requirements for writing or any sort of fact checking system. My loser cousin, who barely passed high school English, has published some god awful articles through this site and claims to be an internet journalist.
27 October 2009 02:51I found out about this whole controversy and your lovely blog after coming across the photo of her "in the lab." My fellow lab rats and I were outraged by her bad practices (well, they'd be bad if they weren't staged) and constant insults hurled at cosmetic chemists. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, missy! P.S., none of the people I talked to, who have experience in everything from nuclear chemistry to genomics, can identify those machines beyond, "Well, that might be some sort of drill, maybe?"
P.P.S. (Sorry for the double post!) This is pure speculation, but does anyone else find it suspicious that the author of the Examiner review has the same skin tone and mouth shape as her new model? They're both based in NYC, too...
27 October 2009 02:54Lo, sorry I'm late in replying to this. Since her swatches are photoshopped, this seems like a dodgy move - obviously darker skin requires more opaque pigmentation to cover it, but if it's not the product GENUINELY being used on the lips, it's just more misleading bullshit.
27 October 2009 11:36Pleeease review the lipsticks! Either on your own blog, or you can do it on here if you like. With pictures! Yes yes.
Photosynthesia, I thought it looked awfully informal, and the fact that they can delete comments from users is ridiculous.
27 October 2009 11:40So it's basically youtube, with articles? Ick. That drill part made me roffle, I might quote you somewhere XD I don't know anyone who actually works in a lab, so was taking Grey's word for it, but it's good to hear someone backing her up.
I couldn't imagine what that machine might be for, and why I couldn't see any dyes or lipstick moulds or anything.
Even without the picture, it would've been fucking ridiculous. It was so self-congratulatory her own unicorns would've vomited rainbows. Like she's fighting a WAR on beige, and she's the LAST member of the Rainbowbrite brigade, her unicorn-cavalry just died, she lost a leg and she's dragging herself along with a harpoon gun to finish things. Get over yourself, please, you're no innovator, all you did was stick unicorn stickers on things. I did that, when I was four.
I hadn't noticed - but you're right. It wouldn't surprise me, either, another potential dick move from Lime Crime. It wouldn't surprise me if I found out they were all made in sweatshops from abused orphans at this point.
27 October 2009 11:41Anastasia, your second to last post has me giggling like an elf on speed!
28 October 2009 13:41Anyway, just wanted to inform you that Xenia posted the following on her Twitter yesterday : "New lip swatches! These really show you what the color looks like on the lips.".
Maybe it's just me but that makes it sound like her other swatches were fake...
Pfft, honestly, I still wouldn't be convinced she's actually photographed them on. Lo says that they're not very smooth/opaque at all and darker than the swatches look, so I'm not convinced of the formula or whether or not it's good enough for her to take genuine swatches.
28 October 2009 23:34That Buzzworthy MTV story is now deleting all negative comments. What the hell is that about? Freedom of speech is part of being an AMerican. But I guess MTV is now corrupted as well.
3 November 2009 00:59fascinating how gala darling has deleted her article/review/fluff piece about lime crime! Not surprising though, gala is all about censorship.
5 November 2009 05:57I've been a fan of Xenia's since I was young so when all this hoo-ha about her being fake arose, I rolled my eyes and thought 'c'mon guys! let someone shine!'. I did however notice that as time went on, she became more and more arrogant and almost childish as if to appeal to that little child within us all. She's almost 30 and calls herself the Unicorn Queen. On her website, in her 'about the author' section she's written that she's a makeup guru (have you seen how tacky some of her older stuff is?! :/ Nowadays it seems like she just posts pretty professional pictures of other make-up artistry and speels about them..) an entreprenure (i'm sure other people have invented make-up lines before and run them independantly..) and a model. In third person. As if someone else was writing about her in such high regard. (I'm pretty sure it's actually her writing this stuff..)
18 November 2009 10:37I thought about that. She models for her friends and her own stuff, but has anyone else ever seen her do anything else? She recently got 'married' and instead of posting it all over the place like any one else with such a high opinion of themselves would, she kept it 'low-key'. Her hair always has bad regrowth in her 'photo shoots' and only ever looks polished when it's a professional gig, which I'm sure she only gets through her 'husband' Mark who is a 'professional photographer'.
Recently there's been an uproar and people have been posting what she insists is 'slander' and 'illegal' about her and saying she's a fraud, so she posted a video of her making her own eyeshadows at home by mixing colours from ziplock sachets into an empty one and rolling the bag around in her hands to mix the colours in. No exact formula to it, just adding bits from here and there until it looked right. Which to me seems far too primitive for a makeup professional who is producing (seemingly in the masses) her own make-up line.
Upon reading a little more journalism about her repackaging wholesaler's products I noticed that some of the wholesaler sites people say she's repackaging from send their pigments out in the same ziplock style bags if you buy the samples under a certain size (could explain why sometimes her site's makeup supply is so limited).. Also, if her makeup is made professionally, why would she have unmixed bags of pigment/mica at her house? Her attempt to prove she does make her own eyeshadows has only backfired in my eyes and IMHO the only 'overseeing of the process' she does is fill out an online order form and enter her credit card details into the wholesaler's website.
When it comes to her lipsticks, I think that she has made enough of a name for herself to have some contacts in the industry by now. I haven't seen much about her lipsticks being copied and as the packaging is quite 'unique' she may just have had these professionally made. She's posted a picture of her at a lab whilst making them, but it's not super informative or anything.
Also, the 'mixing spoon' she uses in the 'How to make eyeshadow' video looks like a sea-monkey feeding spoon, but that could just be me being a little too critical. :P
Sasha - Well, that seems to be their tactic. They've moved on to threatening bloggers who post negative reviews with legal action, now.
18 November 2009 11:32Punch N Judy - Oh, really? I've seen a lot of places edit their old fluff pieces to comment on the controversy and some of them withdraw their support.
Rin - I think Xenia wants everyone to believe she has a bigger, more professional operation than she does. In my opinion, she's a repackager working out of her kitchen. All of her efforts seem to go into PR rather than product innovation.
The video with her 'making eyeshadows' - that isn't how you make eyeshadows, it isn't how you make a repeat product. Why doesn't she know the formula for her own product? Why would anyone send a sample to a LAB to get them to mix mica? Why does her video resemble the TKB video so closely? Why isn't she wearing gloves or a mask?
I agree on the lipsticks, too. I don't think they're repackaged, I think they're just generic-formula private label. And certainly not worth $16.
Also, the little plastic scoop she's using is identical to the one TKB supply with their "EZ" eyeshadow kit.
http://www.tkbtrading.com/item.php?item_id=503&page=2&category_id=29
Tricksy hobbitses!
18 November 2009 13:36Lookix what I foundix: http://www.tkbtrading.com/TKBPopMicaRoundup.pdf
I reckon she's stumbled across it and they're the formulas she uses. They seem about the same.
Oh, and you know how you posted a while back how you hated how a lot of makeup forums in response to FOTD's said, "that looks great, and I love your "x"."? Only postives all the time. I once gave constructive criticism to someone I knew on the aromaleigh forum about her FOTD saying I would personally add more eyeliner. I was verbally bashed by a long time member. So the aromaleigh forum is definitely not a place where free speech is encouraged.
11 December 2009 08:49Yup, Rin. The similarities between TKB's video and hers are interesting, too. Except of course, they wear gloves and a mask...
11 December 2009 11:59Well, Tally, I think Xenia is ripping people off, lying, threatening bloggers with litigation for blogging about it, and generally disgracing the name of unicorns everywhere.
11 December 2009 13:55I read your review and didn't see anything wrong with it, although I do personally disagree with your assessment on the e-mail you posted from her regarding eBay samples. I didn't find it at all offensive - I think rather than curt, she was simply going for professional. A lot of mineral make-up companies are run by individuals and I don't blame Aromaleigh for wanting to distance themselves from that and appear more professional, hence the formal response.
I'm confused as to how you can post something confidentially on a blog or public forum. But anyway, I read your leaving thread and what I presume were Kristen's e-mails to you or cut-and-pasted stuff from another thread, and I don't see anything in it that I, personally, would find offensive. I haven't seen evidence of her using your personal information to insult you - did I miss that?
I'm not sure what portions of that thread were her personal e-mails to you, but it's clear that she typed you a long, personal response and shared details about her life. I don't know Kristen well, but in general I know my response to something like that would be to talk to the person, and not then re-post that information in public - particularly not on her own forum.
Whilst I agree with you about the irritation of only strictly positive comments being allowed on FOTDs, this isn't unusual to any forum, and your problem with the long-time member who bashed you for it should be directed at them, or the forum's moderators.
This seems to me like a mountain being made out of a mole hill. I haven't seen anything from either side so far (either in your review, or in her responses) that would have offended me, were I involved.
I'm sorry you feel you had a rough time there, I know I've had some harsh treatment on forums in the past (non-cosmetics related) and I tend to shy away from them to avoid the drama. That's the beauty of running a blog - I'm my own moderator. If I offend people, they can choose not to read what I have to say. Personally, I'm going to steer well clear of any past drama you've had with Aromaleigh, as I've never experienced anything but excellent customer service and products from the company.
Tally - after finishing the entire thread, I've removed your first comment here. This is simply to remove the posted link. I haven't been contacted by anyone from Aromaleigh (or anyone at all, about this), and I'm not trying to censor you, but I don't want this to become an issue here.
11 December 2009 13:56You're welcome to repost the comment's content (unfortunately I can't edit comments, only remove them) without the URL. Given the amount of drama in the thread you linked to, I really don't want the URL on my blog. Many blog owners simply prevent URLs from being posted at all, so I hope you don't think this is out of line.
Honestly, I just don't see how any of it relates to me/my blog/this post at all, and I don't particularly want anyone using my blog as a platform to publicise unrelated drama, particularly drama which I don't agree with.
That Miss X makeup line seems like a bunch of bullshit. http://blackpillredpill.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_6&zenid=7e06cd0464d3760e42ce1f3d6ff7a3cd
29 December 2009 04:48Same jars as LC. Generic colours etc. I dunno. Seems like another C-Dlist celebrity digging for more money.
I'm horribly disappointed with LC, though. I spent a lot of money on her crap and actually attempted to defend her several times when the rumors first started. Then I finally saw some proof and was like "Oh, fucking shit." I know better now though. (:
Hi! I have been researching LC myself to see if I wanted to buy from them...I'm concluding that I don't. Kind of a shame because they have lipstick colors that look appealing, but the prices and reviews of those lipsticks aren't so hot. :( Luckily I can just get lip gloss and take any lip safe mineral color and mix them together to get the colors myself.
13 January 2010 21:27I've been debating whether to try Meow Cosmetics. Some love them; some say they itch. I have tried Face Front e/s and so far no itching. Most of the colors were good; a couple didn't stay on. I have a lot of Aromaleigh and absolutely no itching/problems ever. So far that is my favorite brand, followed by (not mineral) MAC.
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